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    Disclaimer: I do not support trump. Mainly due to his neglect of climate change and removal of abortion rights.
    But... I spoke to 2 girls the other day and said...
    ''Do you think trump wanting to build a wall is racist/completely wrong''
    They looked shocked and said...
    ''Erm of course?''
    I then told them that…
    ''You do realize Mexico have their own border wall with armed guards''?
    They literally looked at each other in shock and were apparently taking the time to 'process' what i said. They didn't deny it or come up with any sort of response... they then asked me…
    ''do you support trump (with disgusted looking faces)?''
    ... Seriously... do we all have to make up stuff that has no logic in the argument against trump in order to not be trump supporters/fascists? I share a lot of left wing values (some right wing as well) … but I’m so sick of people making up stuff out of nothing… the funny thing is the had no argument what so ever and just reacted by acting so shocked as if I said the N word….

    For all of those who want to see their wall:
    http://static.snopes.com/wordpress/w.../08/fence2.jpg
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=me...xil7vovpVrM%3A
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=me...zsxdq_LlyFM%3A
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    (Original post by James385)
    Disclaimer: I do not support trump. Mainly due to his neglect of climate change and removal of abortion rights.
    But... I spoke to 2 girls the other day and said...
    ''Do you think trump wanting to build a wall is racist/completely wrong''
    They looked shocked and said...
    ''Erm of course?''
    I then told them that…
    ''You do realize Mexico have their own border wall with armed guards''?
    They literally looked at each other in shock and were apparently taking the time to 'process' what i said. They didn't deny it or come up with any sort of response... they then asked me…
    ''do you support trump (with disgusted looking faces)?''
    ... Seriously... do we all have to make up stuff that has no logic in the argument against trump in order to not be trump supporters/fascists? I share a lot of left wing values (some right wing as well) … but I’m so sick of people making up stuff out of nothing… the funny thing is the had no argument what so ever and just reacted by acting so shocked as if I said the N word….

    For all of those who want to see their wall:
    http://static.snopes.com/wordpress/w.../08/fence2.jpg
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=me...xil7vovpVrM%3A
    https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=me...zsxdq_LlyFM%3A
    The wall is basically a waste of money.
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    He just wants to be remembered for something.

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    Walls divide. Ask Berlin.
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    Yes, open borders for all (except non-White majority countries)

    Down with White supremacy !

    Anti-racist codeword for anti-White

    You're hypocrites at its finest. You can pull the race card, tied to your darker than White skin. That is your privilege.
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    (Original post by Cuck Slayer)
    Yes, open borders for all (except non-White majority countries)

    Down with White supremacy !

    Anti-racist codeword for anti-White

    You're hypocrites at its finest. You can pull the race card, tied to your darker than White skin. That is your privilege.
    Damn son, how many cucks you slayed with that post? They must be quivering in fear.
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    No.I don't think it is racist. There are so many walls all over the world.


    EDIT:Not like I support him.lol
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Walls divide. Ask Berlin.
    The berlin wall was a far different situation
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    I don't think the issue is the wall. People should migrate legally, not a single person should enter the country illegally. Period. Laws must be respected or else, countries would turn into jungles.

    The issue is that he imagines Mexicans doing things they don't and makes unsupported claims which harm a lot of people. Mexicans don't commit crimes at a higher rate than natives and they don't increase unemployment overall. Those are facts. But he denies them and panders to the worst impulses of American society. That's the problem.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    The berlin wall was a far different situation
    Yes.

    Walls still divide.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    The berlin wall was a far different situation
    Not really. A fascist regime tried to keep their populace from fleeing their regime. Just this time, they are going the other way.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Not really. A fascist regime tried to keep their populace from fleeing their regime. Just this time, they are going the other way.
    stop being so stupid and calling everything you dislike fascist, you have no clue what fascism is.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    stop being so stupid and calling everything you dislike fascist, you have no clue what fascism is.
    Okay. I will stop being stupid. Trump is by no means a fascist. However, he is what I would call a proto-fascist. As for the DDR, they were obviously not fascists, but communists, but I used the term 'fascist' because I felt it would convey my point, rather than getting bogged down with people saying that the DDR weren't true communists and incomparable with Trump.

    What is Fascism? (Click to expand)
    Tl;dr: Fascism is fundamentally nationalistic, militaristic, and modern, leaning toward somewhat - but distinct from - socialism (indeed, many leading Fascists were Socialists earlier in their life, such as Mussolini himself).

    Fascism is a relatively hard ideology to define; however, most fascist ideologies share the following core tenets:

    Autarky (Click to expand)
    Most fascists favour complete self-dependence of their state, and reject globalisation.


    Corporatism (Click to expand)
    The idea that the economical structure of the country should be regulated like a corpus (body), each section a corporative (not a corporation), which is a union of workers in a corporation which operates in a free market, it isn't privetely owned.


    Class collaboration (Click to expand)
    Instead of class struggle; this is the reason fascism clashes with socialism, as fascism sees class struggle as a diversion from the struggle of nations.

    Fascism wishes to deconstruct the old classes - which is one of many areas where it clashes with conservatism - but then to create new classes, which collaborate to make the country better great again. There wouldn't be the bourgeoisie and the proletariate, but the many classes of workers under each corporation.


    Hierarchy (Click to expand)
    Fascists believe that no two people anywhere are exactly equal, let alone any more people than that. Naturally, they usually favour their country or race as superior to others; as such, fascists often acted in a socialist-like manner, but exclusively to their own citizens. Hence, fascism can be seen as left-wing to its own, and right-wing to others.

    This implicitly suggests militarist imperialism. Fascism sees life as a continual conflict between people for limited resources. To fascists, war let nations or races decide who got the planet's resources, in a Darwinian struggle for survival.

    Fascists applied biological concepts to constructs like nations and races. Virility, physical prowess and hierarchy were applied to these constructs, as well as notions like sickness and degeneration. Ideas of the "sickness" of a nation or race was what inspired many fascist regimes to resort to eugenics, and in some cases genocide.

    This is another reason why war was so important to fascists; it had a therapeutic effect on society: it destroyed the weak, and allowed the strong and healthy to thrive.


    Meritocracy (Click to expand)
    The idea that power should come with merit. This is where fascism abandons democracy. The idea is that workers progress inside the corporative through merit, and since each corporative is a part of government, the meritocracy actually produces political leaders.

    This leads to the rule of specialists. The leaders and representatives of each corporative (and consequently the government) would be specialists in their areas, not politicians.


    National Rebirth (Click to expand)
    A revolutionary desire to begin a rebirth of the Nation, and escaping the "destructive" influences of capitalism and communism.

    For example, Mussolini wanted to form a "New Roman Empire", while the Nazis initially wanted Germany to regain its former position in the world, as a "Great Power".


    Nationalism (Click to expand)
    Fascists seek social cohesiveness, through nationalism. Mussolini thought nationalism should happen through culturalism, while Hitler thought it should come through racialism. Fascists take nationalism far, essentially seeing other nations as competitors in the struggle for survival.

    It's worth pointing out that Germany and Italy didn't have the sense of "national/ethnic identity" that we as outsiders often ascribe to those nations today. They were relatively recently formed nation-states, and a political movement that emphasized nationalism likely carried some appeal as a means of paving over existing regional and ethno-linguistic differences and tensions.

    Fascists believe that people are fundamentally irrational, and their irrationality should be harnessed into action, e.g. using patriotism and leader idolisation as a means to get people thinking about the "greater good", rather than their own individual interests.

    This is the second way Fascism and Socialism clash. Fascism sees national loyalty as absolutely central, but orthodox Socialism believes that loyalty to the international movement of Communism should replace all other loyalties. As a result, Socialists came to see Fascists as lapdogs of the entrenched, conservative upper-classes, and Fascists saw Socialists as a threat to the integrity of the nation, and as a symptom of a decaying society they sought to replace.


    Purity (Click to expand)
    Fascism idolises purity; usually ethnic or cultural purity.There's an old saying: "If you put one drop of water in 5000 gallons of sewage, you have 5000 gallons of sewage. If you put one drop of sewage in 5000 gallons of water, you have 5000 gallons of sewage."That reaction to "even one drop" of impurity is one impulse that drives some people into fascism.



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    Even if the purpose of the wall was to stop immigrants its useless.

    a) people will find loopholes and ways to bypass the wall. Crossing the Sea and tunnels come to mind.

    b) More importantly most illegals enter with a visa and overstay. Wtf will a wall do to that? And as Trump supporters conveniently point out, Obama has deported a lot of illegals in his time.

    The wall isnt racist, Trump is a racist but arguing over whether or not the wall is will never end.

    What is certain however is that its designed to give trump supporters and stupid rednecks a feeling of security. Thats it. A billion dollar project to give dumb people an emotion.
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    (Original post by YoloBaggins00)
    The wall is basically a waste of money.
    Exactly. At least it'll be funny seeing:
    1. Where they get enough legal workers from to build it;
    2. Whether they remove Mexican trade tariffs once the cost has notionally been collected.

    If he really thinks that a wall will work, when are the ones along the Canadian border and coasts going up?
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    People, please, it's 2017. This is an extremely bad move by Trump, utterly wrong.

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    It should be a high-tech surveillance barrier, not a wall. The Mexican mafia and druggies would just dig a hole.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    stop being so stupid and calling everything you dislike fascist, you have no clue what fascism is.
    But you do? :rolleyes:

    I would love to see your response as to why he is wrong, why you know what fascism and that how you know that he has no clue what it means.
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    southern USA has an illegal immigration problem, no one can deny that there are millions of illegals from South America. A wall is a practical solution to that problem. It won't be perfect but if it was done properly I see no reason why it won't be able to have a big impact on people getting through via the ground border.


    As for people's dumb arguments like "Walls are bad because they divide!" or "Look at the Berlin wall, how much good did that do" I dont even know where to start. The Berlin wall divided in its own country, it's completly different.

    As for walls are bad becuz they divide? OK. They also build houses by dividing the indoor resident from the outdoor weather. Stupid argument.
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    Are we forgetting that Mexicans aren't a race? Also, I don't remember wanting to keep ILLEGAL immigrants out of a country is bad. Next people will be making cases for paedophiles to work in nursery and primary schools
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    None of those pictures show a wall on the Mexico-Guatemala border. The first is a fence on the Israel-Egypt border near Eilat. The second is the existing US-Mexico border fence in Arizona, and the third doesn't actually show a wall or fence at all. You'd have found that out if you actually went to the Snopes article that the first image is from.

    Most of the Mexico-Guatemala border is wild country like mountains, rainforests, or waterways that it would be a nightmare for Mexico to police even if they wanted to. Which they don't, for the most part. While on some of the more easily crossable sections of border do have checkpoints and border guards, they're usually just there to stop drug smugglers rather than migrants.

    So yeah, you're talking ****.
 
 
 
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