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    (Original post by Ammmaaaraah)
    Is this the verse you are talking about?


    'So consume what you have taken of war booty [as being] lawful and good, and fear Allah . Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.'
    Sorry I meant 67 not 69


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    (Original post by Reformed)
    possibly becuase the KKK were a tiny unimportant group isolated to the backwaters of the USA . Muslims are a large and disporate group, many of whom have been given sanctuary by most of the western countries, and how foreign based islamists can easily access targets in the west with online propaganda. islamic terrorism is well funded billion dollar industry funded by gulf arab oil, globally located and its propaganda makes almost every muslim susceptible to brainwashing purely by their own cultural loyalty to all islamic causes. Add to this a large amount of rather gullible people who will swallow any made up political rhetoric and hey presto - access to a large number of nutjobs ready to commit attrociities.

    the biggest issue with islamist terrorism, is not the current numbers of attrocities ( which is already high) it is the potential much larger problems ie the easily brainwashed often uneducated muslim majority population that are the chosen targets for islamist shiekhs and preachers. We are where we are now - beacause the muslim world did compratively nothing to counter islamist ideas and groups fro the last 40 years, and now they are entrentched in islamic society. the fallout is Trump, brexit, support for israel, discrimination against regular muslims etc etc. this is the consequence of decades of apologism
    Amen.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    ISIS say that France and the USA are in war against them, so it is ok to kill them, and this behaviour is sanctioned by the Quran (you know, casting fear in the heart of the disbelievers etc.).
    You're wrong. They're completely disregarding the criteria for war if they say that France and the US are at war with them, because the criteria for war in Islam means that no innocent civilians can be murdered. They are killing innocent civilians so no they're not justifying it by saying they're at war. Please accept that you are wrong and stop trying to argue a point that doesn't exist.
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    (Original post by Reformed)
    possibly becuase the KKK were a tiny unimportant group isolated to the backwaters of the USA .

    The KKK killed more than 3,400 black people, how on earth can you say they were a tiny group? ISIS have killed 1/3 of that amount, but you're not calling them tiny? Both of these groups are awful, but I really have no idea how you can call them a tiny unimportant group.
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    (Original post by Reformed)
    possibly becuase the KKK were a tiny unimportant group isolated to the backwaters of the USA . Muslims are a large and disporate group, many of whom have been given sanctuary by most of the western countries, and how foreign based islamists can easily access targets in the west with online propaganda. islamic terrorism is well funded billion dollar industry funded by gulf arab oil, globally located and its propaganda makes almost every muslim susceptible to brainwashing purely by their own cultural loyalty to all islamic causes. Add to this a large amount of rather gullible people who will swallow any made up political rhetoric and hey presto - access to a large number of nutjobs ready to commit attrociities.

    the biggest issue with islamist terrorism, is not the current numbers of attrocities ( which is already high) it is the potential much larger problems ie the easily brainwashed often uneducated muslim majority population that are the chosen targets for islamist shiekhs and preachers. We are where we are now - beacause the muslim world did compratively nothing to counter islamist ideas and groups fro the last 40 years, and now they are entrentched in islamic society. the fallout is Trump, brexit, support for israel, discrimination against regular muslims etc etc. this is the consequence of decades of apologism
    The claims you make in this are stupid and you cant back any of this. 'Almost every muslim susceptible to brainwashing' where did you get with from, how many muslims are there in the world and what percentage are terrorists? '
    the easily brainwashed often uneducated muslim majority population' uneducated? How can you decide that the majority of people of a whole religion are uneducated? This just displays your ignorance.
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    (Original post by Marianade)
    where are you getting these false verses. this isnt in the quran
    Are you trolling? Of course it's in the Quran, and that's one of the nicer verses!
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    (Original post by bex.anne)
    The KKK killed more than 3,400 black people, how on earth can you say they were a tiny group? ISIS have killed 1/3 of that amount, but you're not calling them tiny? Both of these groups are awful, but I really have no idea how you can call them a tiny unimportant group.
    The irony is that's wrong, ISIS have killed over 10 times as many as that, mostly in the span of the last 10 years. If we take the 3400 as true ISIS are killing more EVERY FEW MONTHS than the KKK have over their 150 year history.

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    (Original post by bex.anne)
    Quran 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind"

    In Islam, if you murder someone (unless you kill them in regards to death penalty for murder or rape) it is as though you have murdered all of mankind. Murder is not accepted in Islam. There are verses about the death of disbelievers but this is in the context of war. War in Islam is only allowed in cases of Just War, where no innocent civilians are killed (because if you do kill an innocent you will go to hell), where all prisoners are given humane treatment on both sides, and with minimum necessary force. ISIS are not doing this. They are in no way following Islamic teachings. Can any of you who believe that ISIS are Muslims and Muslims have a terrorist mindset please respond with a verse of the Quran which tells me that ISIS are doing as the Quran tells them?
    (Original post by Ibbyyyyy)
    In Islam, you are only allowed to kill people during wars. That's what wars are. There were over 17,000,000 deaths in world war 1 and over 60,000,000 in world war 2. ISIS are killing people OUTSIDE of war, which is forbidden. They claim to be fighting the 'disbelievers', but you can't simply form a group and wage war on anybody you want. ISIS have killed many muslims in various attacks. In Nice, the truck driver murdered some muslim children. Is that Islamic? Here are some verses that ISIS are clearly not following:

    “God does not forbid you to be kind and equitable to those who have neither fought against your faith nor driven you out of your homes. In fact God loves the equitable.” Qur’an:60:8

    “If they withdraw from you but fight you not, and (instead) send you (guarantees of) peace, then God hath opened no way for you (to war against them)” (4:90);

    “You cannot guide those you would like to but God guides those He wills. He has best knowledge of the guided.” (Holy Quran/28: 56) - You can't force people into Islam.

    "Indeed, Prayer prohibits immorality and wrongding" – Al Quran 29:45

    "He who kills a soul unless it be (in legal punishment) for murder or for causing disorder and corruption on the earth will be as if he had killed all humankind; and he who saves a life will be as if he had saved the lives of all humankind." (Qur'an 5:32).
    Why don't you quote the very next verse, 5:33?

    Never mind, I'll do it for you:

    "Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment".

    Pretty gruesome and vile, don't you think? And since Allah doesn't have a physical form, waging war against him can't be referring to physical fighting, but ideological. Ibn Kathir's tafsir confirms that the above punishments apply to anyone who commits the "crime" of not believing in Islam.
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    And terrorists are not muslims - I don't get why people are making such a huge commotion over this whole ban thing - Obama did the EXACT SAME thing and nobody made as much of a commotion as they are doing now. Also this isn't a target towards muslims, I don't get why people are making such shallow assumptions - so many other muslim-majority countries aren't being banned.
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    (Original post by Ammmaaaraah)
    I dont think you understood. 1400 years ago it was socially acceptable for child brides. I mean 100 years ago young girls were marrying older men as they considered this to be normal. Point being, social norms change over time and 1400 years ago there was nothing wrong with this. 😃
    So Muhammad isn't the perfect example for all time then. I'm going to ask you a simple question, do you unequivocally condemn Muhammad for having sex with an underage girl in the past, yes or no?
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    (Original post by SameerHussain)
    Hi, This quote is true.

    However, if you carry on reading which is what most of you cabbages don't do, you will find the next verse - which states: And their refuge will be the Fire

    This is refferign to the after life, which none of us have the knowledge of.
    Oh, because saying we're going to be burned in fire for all eternity is so much better! That just reinforces how disgusting and repugnant Islam really is.
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    (Original post by Marianade)
    Why do people call us terrorists
    anyone who kills is not a muslim and isis kills more muslims than non-muslims. They arent muslim they just want to ruin our reputation.
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    Yo lets all just preach man and give each other respect. You've gotta respect any religion, it's our moral duty as human beings. Islam ain't about violence and terrorism. The only place that's aloud is when defending ur religion not like Isis who r running around saying allahuakbar and getting away wif it so that ppl who r brainwashed by the *****y media, then think that Muslims say that therefore Muslims are terrorist. Jus look at those incredible PEE paragraph they made.
    Seriously u brainwashed oafs wake up and try and look into wat Islam is really about. Don't just scream terrorist in my face after listening to the news. We ain't terrorists. Ur the terrorists
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    (Original post by Plantagenet[attach)
    615620[/attach] Crown;69859376]Oh, because saying we're going to be burned in fire for all eternity is so much better! That just reinforces how disgusting and repugnant Islam really is.
    Oh and like the bible doesn't say things like that does it. Here u go mate
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    So Muhammad isn't the perfect example for all time then. I'm going to ask you a simple question, do you unequivocally condemn Muhammad for having sex with an underage girl in the past, yes or no?
    How does that not make him a perfect example yet mate? look at the men nowadays u think they're great examples aren't they? They jus wanna make sure they have a big ass big boobs and kylie Jenner lips. They want supermodels these days it jus isn't practical or fair. The media has really raised the expectations
    Our prophet chose to marry her because she was kind loving and also because at such a young age she was very drawn to Allah. For ur info: our prophet taught kids Quran at a madrasah and she was part of it and he was drawn to her because she was so keen on learning. This seriously isn't a big deal.
    And he didn't have sex with her OMG get ur facts right mate. He had no children wif her.
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    (Original post by subhastar)
    How does that not make him a perfect example yet mate? look at the men nowadays u think they're great examples aren't they? They jus wanna make sure they have a big ass big boobs and kylie Jenner lips. They want supermodels these days it jus isn't practical or fair. The media has really raised the expectations
    Our prophet chose to marry her because she was kind loving and also because at such a young age she was very drawn to Allah. For ur info: our prophet taught kids Quran at a madrasah and she was part of it and he was drawn to her because she was so keen on learning. This seriously isn't a big deal.
    And he didn't have sex with her OMG get ur facts right mate. He had no children wif her.
    You treat all the above as fact. Can you see how I would find that worrying?
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    (Original post by subhastar)
    How does that not make him a perfect example yet mate? look at the men nowadays u think they're great examples aren't they? They jus wanna make sure they have a big ass big boobs and kylie Jenner lips. They want supermodels these days it jus isn't practical or fair. The media has really raised the expectations
    Our prophet chose to marry her because she was kind loving and also because at such a young age she was very drawn to Allah. For ur info: our prophet taught kids Quran at a madrasah and she was part of it and he was drawn to her because she was so keen on learning. This seriously isn't a big deal.
    And he didn't have sex with her OMG get ur facts right mate. He had no children wif her.
    You do realise it's possible to have sex with somebody yet jot have children, even without contraceptives and even if all parties are fertile?

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    (Original post by subhastar)
    Oh and like the bible doesn't say things like that does it. Here u go mate
    Why are you quoting the Bible? I'm not Christian and showing its violent verses doesn't make the Quran's any better, that's just trying to deflect.
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    (Original post by subhastar)
    Oh and like the bible doesn't say things like that does it. Here u go mate
    Why are you quoting the Bible? I'm not Christian and showing its violent verses doesn't make the Quran's any better, that's just trying to deflect.
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    (Original post by subhastar)
    How does that not make him a perfect example yet mate? look at the men nowadays u think they're great examples aren't they? They jus wanna make sure they have a big ass big boobs and kylie Jenner lips. They want supermodels these days it jus isn't practical or fair. The media has really raised the expectations
    Our prophet chose to marry her because she was kind loving and also because at such a young age she was very drawn to Allah. For ur info: our prophet taught kids Quran at a madrasah and she was part of it and he was drawn to her because she was so keen on learning. This seriously isn't a big deal.
    And he didn't have sex with her OMG get ur facts right mate. He had no children wif her.
    Again, you're trying to deflect onto other examples that are irrelevant. Muhammad is claimed to be the perfect and timeless example for mankind so by this logic everything he did should still be considered perfect today. It clearly isn't so he isn't perfect, simple.

    Of course he had sex with her! You think he wouldn't have sex with his wife? Even Sahih Bukhari very clearly states him having intercourse with Aisha. It's seems like it's you who needs to get your facts right.
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    (Original post by Marianade)
    Why do people call us terrorists
    anyone who kills is not a muslim and isis kills more muslims than non-muslims. They arent muslim they just want to ruin our reputation.
    Response to the islamic negative view thread
    Because people are full of prejudices? most of them are not able to make differences in terms of individuals, that is the problem.
 
 
 
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