German Federal Government spent 21.7 billion Euros on refugees in 2016

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I note that the cost was more than NASA's budget. But you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out that this whole policy was insane from the outset.

Merkel will go down in history as the Chancellor who destroyed the EU, but it is in Germany where her legacy will last longest. Generations yet unborn will curse her memory as they wrestle with the social problems her decisions over the past couple of years created for her country.
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Is that it
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Do you think there might be demographic benefits for Germany in the longer run? Given that Germany's demographic outlook was so dire prior to the immigration surge.

Also do you have robust evidence to support your scepticism about the employment levels and tax contributions of migrants.
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Germany is responsible for Germany's policy on refugees; the United Kingdom is responsible for the United Kingdom's policy on refugees.
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It's disgusting, to be honest. 21.7 billion Euros that could have been spent strengthening the military or creating jobs for natives.
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and whose children won't become a threat to German society.
Seems a bit right-wing for you lol

To address the actual topic though, yes it's a big financial drain on Germany, especially since most aren't working. Does beg the question though of whether we should measure the value of saving lives monetarily, and I'd argue that saving lives is worth more than the money spent doing so. That does not, however, mean I support Merkel's insane migrant policy, that has no real way of verifying who is or is not a genuine refugee. Even among refugees, the process needs to include a strong screening process to keep dangerous elements out. But alas, that's too late for Germany (and Sweden) now. It would be better to provide humanitarian aid to the surrounding countries, where they would culturally fit in far better. I would actually argue too that many refugees won't go back - why would they? They can have greater wealth and security in Germany, with things like better education for their children and not living under a corrupt government in a region that always has conflicts in some form or another. If this is the case, then it actually has dangerous demographic consequences for Germany's future due to a large majority of the migrants being male. This will skew Germany's gender balance, and studies have shown that societies with higher proportions of males have higher rates of violence (this isn't some regressive left attack on males btw lol, I'm just quoting studies), not to mention shortages of things like marriage partners, so make of that what you will. Oh and yes, permanent 'cultural enrichment' sounds fun for the Germans too.
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Germany is responsible for Germany's policy on refugees; the United Kingdom is responsible for the United Kingdom's policy on refugees.
Actually the EU is responsible for Germany's policy on refugees.
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Obligatory: Was this money well spent? What do you guys think?
The costs spent on intergrating the refugees are very important as it helps them to find a new job. Which in return is good for Germany as ,if they get more working refugees, then they get more manpower of their economy.
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Do you think there might be demographic benefits for Germany in the longer run? Given that Germany's demographic outlook was so dire prior to the immigration surge.

Also do you have robust evidence to support your scepticism about the employment levels and tax contributions of migrants.
You assume they'll socially integrate with ease, they'll be able to get an education (of good quality since the system will be strained) and that they won't have external costs to the economy… with those assumptions you're right.
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Might I also add, the last time the German population surged It kind of caused a world war.
So what if the German population surged by the time of a world war (I am assuming you are talking about world war 2). Just because that the population surged by world war 2 doesn't mean that it necessarily played any factor in causing world war 2. World War 2 was caused because of entirely other reasons other than population and it would have happen with or without the population surge.

Correlation is not causation.

Anyways... my other post was only assuming if the refugees would actually use the intergration programs. Unfortunately some won't be able to or be bothered.
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1) The refugees are meant to return home.
2) Very few refugees get jobs
3) The economy relies more on high-skilled jobs. Automation will deal with low-skilled jobs faster than the refugees will integrate.
Fair enough, but it will be a very long time until refugees will be able to return home.
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Yes, it will be. But the official line is that they are only temporary. Like the "guest workers" I guess who are still in Germany..
I wonder how the German administration will even go about getting a million people to travel back to their country of origin. It's going to be pretty difficult to track everyone down, especially if some of them don't want to be found. And if many of them do have jobs at this point, it might even be economically damaging (at least in the short term).
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That's assuming they even know their country of origin. Can't exactly deport someone if you don't know from whence came....
lol that's true

They shouldn't have let anyone through who didn't have official ID with them, like a passport. If people don't bring one along, it's pretty indicative that they have something to hide imo
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