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    Just let him come here. At least then we can continue that good old British tradition of pelting unpopular politicians with eggs. I'd quite like to see that.
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    The petition has secured a parliamentary debate
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38814346
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    It's amusing that the rival petition now has 126,000 signatures, compared to the no state visit petition, which currently has 1,693,000 signatures.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    It's amusing that the rival petition now has 126,000 signatures, compared to the no state visit petition, which currently has 1,693,000 signatures.
    Half of which are duplicates.
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    (Original post by Mr. Popo)
    Let me guess those who signed the petition came largely from Muslim areas

    Muslims pushing their weight around, as usual..
    Waiting for you to condemn the Mosque shooting
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    (Original post by RogerOxon)
    What are you basing that on?

    His approval ratings are low, and he was elected by a minority of the votes.
    Is it your position that he is an illegitimate President though?

    Because if you accept he is the legitimate President of the USA, insulting him personally by withdrawing an invitation already issued for a state visit doesn't sound very sensible as a foreign policy, does it?

    I mean suppose you make a new business contact and think you might have interests of mutual benefit so you invite him or her to a lunch at home. It could be life changing for the family's finances, a new partnership.

    And your eight year old child throws a wobbly because of something they saw on children's TV on the BBC that they didn't like, so you withdraw the already issued invitation. Not forever, just until the infant feels OK about your guest.

    It is unlikely to get that business project off to a good start is it? That partnership might not take place at all. And who will pay for the child's food and toys then? Well might it stamp its tiny feet and cry and scream.

    The toddlers aren't making the decision for this family the grown ups are.

    This visit will take place. And quite rightly so.
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    Half of which are duplicates.
    So... if both are duplicated... then the ratio is the same.

    Or are you arguing that racists and fascists are more honest than warm hearted humanitarian people motivated by a desire to see a demagogue put in his place?
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    Half of which are duplicates.
    Evidence?


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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    " Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom. "

    The petition now has over a million signatures and climbing. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

    It's a way to protest the visit of this racist-pandering neo-fascist to the UK. The dog-whistle politics, the infantilising of our prime minister, the random acts of stupidity, the willingness to not just climb into the gutter but get down there like a pig with a snout in it - I could go on, but we all know what Trump is like and what he represents.

    Let's demonstrate that this isn't 'business as usual' and that the sight of him being feted by our politicians and being treated to the full royal is just too much for us, the decent people of Britain, to bear. :yep:
    Do some of you British people have to 'sign a petition' every time you want to change your mind or against an argument?

    Deary deary me...:facepalm:
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    So... if both are duplicated... then the ratio is the same.

    Or are you arguing that racists and fascists are more honest than warm hearted humanitarian people motivated by a desire to see a demagogue put in his place?
    jfc people really have lost the meaning of fascist recently. Liberal too tbf, both sides are bad with mislabelling.

    I somehow doubt the prevalent right wing views are particularly authoritarian...
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Evidence?


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    That was hyperbolic.

    I was hinting at the post-Referendum petition which was hijacked by 4chan.

    It isn't outlandish to suggest the same reoccurred, is it..
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    (Original post by jneill)
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    It is circumstantial so far. AFAIK anyway?

    The system is not very robust is it though? I have signed the Donald Must Come petition and you just need an email address to verify.

    It is not a trustworthy, fraud proof system. In fact it is a joke.

    The extent of Muslim voter fraud is frankly shocking and would be a huge issue for liberals if it weren't Muslims doing the ballot stuffing, so too non PC to mention.

    And that is the supposedly more robust electoral system.

    Just for you I have a Breitbart link. The same basic story (google Lutfur Rahman) is carried on lots of different media sites, but I thought you might enjoy the Breitbart one. It being Nazi and Fascist and all... :rofl:

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-muslim-areas/

    The EXTREMELY high concentration of petition signers in Muslim areas is referenced below. Tower Hamlets for example, already disgraced in electoral terms, comes out very dark. Clearly they are going to fell strongly about the issue, but some of us have lost trust after all the scandals. Especially with a system so childishly easy to defraud.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7553861.html
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    That was hyperbolic.

    I was hinting at the post-Referendum petition which was hijacked by 4chan.

    It isn't outlandish to suggest the same reoccurred, is it..
    The spurious votes where deleted from the Ref2 poll so the final total is largely correct. I imagine the parliamentary committee in charge of petitions has been keeping a rather close eye on this one.

    There's no evidence yet of any significant problems with it.

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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    Is it your position that he is an illegitimate President though?
    You didn't answer the question:

    (Original post by RogerOxon)
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    More people agree with him than disagree.
    What are you basing that on?

    His approval ratings are low, and he was elected by a minority of the votes.
    No, I don't believe that he's an illegitimate president, as he won the election. I would call him a word that means illegitimate though

    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    Because if you accept he is the legitimate President of the USA, insulting him personally by withdrawing an invitation already issued for a state visit doesn't sound very sensible as a foreign policy, does it?
    It does if it reflects the views of the majority of the UK voters - it's Democracy.

    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    I mean suppose you make a new business contact and think you might have interests of mutual benefit so you invite him or her to a lunch at home. It could be life changing for the family's finances, a new partnership.

    And your eight year old child throws a wobbly because of something they saw on children's TV on the BBC that they didn't like, so you withdraw the already issued invitation. Not forever, just until the infant feels OK about your guest.
    You might not like the opinion, but that doesn't make the people that hold it eight.

    Trump has some vile policies that the Acting Attorney General thought unlawful. Trump either trusts his own legal opinion above hers, or he's not prepared to accept legal reality. Neither says anything good about him, IMO.

    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    This visit will take place. And quite rightly so.
    It might, with lots of protesters. I hope that it doesn't. The world should make a stand against his objectionable and simplistic policies.
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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    It is circumstantial so far. AFAIK anyway?

    The system is not very robust is it though? I have signed the Donald Must Come petition and you just need an email address to verify.

    It is not a trustworthy, fraud proof system. In fact it is a joke.

    The extent of Muslim voter fraud is frankly shocking and would be a huge issue for liberals if it weren't Muslims doing the ballot stuffing, so too non PC to mention.

    And that is the supposedly more robust electoral system.

    Just for you I have a Breitbart link. The same basic story (google Lutfur Rahman) is carried on lots of different media sites, but I thought you might enjoy the Breitbart one. It being Nazi and Fascist and all... :rofl:

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016...-muslim-areas/

    The EXTREMELY high concentration of petition signers in Muslim areas is referenced below. Tower Hamlets for example, already disgraced in electoral terms, comes out very dark. Clearly they are going to fell strongly about the issue, but some of us have lost trust after all the scandals. Especially with a system so childishly easy to defraud.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7553861.html
    Tower Hamlets is in the Poplar and Limehouse constituency. A total of 7,413 out 1.7 million signatures. Less than 0.5% of the total signatures.

    I don't think Brighton (home of TSR HQ) has a particularly high concentration of Muslims, perhaps it does, but they have over 10,000 signatures. That's 9.5% of the Brighton constituents.

    Edit: Brighton is 1.5% Muslim. Limehouse is 35% Muslim.

    So a Muslim-led signature drive doesn't quite tally does it.

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    (Original post by jneill)
    Tower Hamlets is in the Poplar and Limehouse constituency. A total of 7,413 out 1.7million signatures. Less than 0.5% of the total signatures.

    I don't think Brighton (home of TSR HQ) has a particularly high concentration of Muslims, perhaps it does, but they have over 10,000 signatures. That's 9.5% of the Brighton constituents.

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    It's actually quite noteworthy in this petition how much support for it there is spread across a wide swathe of home county areas - clearly many southern middle class and white people are supporting it.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    The spurious votes where deleted from the Ref2 poll so the final total is largely correct. I imagine the parliamentary committee in charge of petitions has been keeping a rather close eye on this one.

    There's no evidence yet of any significant problems with it.

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    Not my point, the very fact the post-Referendum petition had several thousand fraudulent signatures made it void.
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    Not my point, the very fact the post-Referendum petition had several thousand fraudulent signatures made it void.
    Several thousand out of 4.1 million. Voids a petition? Nope.

    And if the government or the committee thought it was void I'm sure we would have heard about it. The government, in particular, really really would love to declare it void. They didn't. And parliament held the debate.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Several thousand out of 4.1 million. Voids a petition? Nope.
    The petition is pointless anyway. There is nothing to void.

    We don't run our democracy via online petitions. We have things called elections.

    If Muslims here don't like that they need to win the most votes.

    Legally and honestly. :rolleyes:
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      (Original post by astutehirstute)
      We don't run our democracy via online petitions. We have things called elections.
      We could use a similar argument about a certain referendum (since we are arguing about principles now, arguing that referendums are less easy to manipulate than online petitions atm is irrelevant)
     
     
     
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