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    (Original post by homeland.lsw)
    Well, Iran doesn't ban Jews from entering, Iran has a large Jewish population themselves
    No, it doesn't. It once did. Now its Jewish community is about the size of a small market town or a large-ish village.

    Pretty much the best you can say about Jews in Iran is that they haven't been subject to overt ethnic cleansing as in other Middle Eastern states.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Israel is a full member of the UN, and is recognised by the vast majority of its member states. A noticeable number (31) do not, yes, but a noticeable number (20) also don't recognise China.
    Thanks to you I learned about existence of such countries as Kiribati, Nauru, Palau and Tuvalu.
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    (Original post by Iridocyclitis)
    Where are the mass protests in London, etc. in light of this ban on Jews? Where's the huge petition to stop the leaders of these 16 countries paying state visits to Britain?
    In your mums baby maker
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    Is it true muslims can eat kosher meat if there is no meat available.
    On the balance of probabilities, I would think it was pretty much impossible in that scenario
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    (Original post by viffer)
    On the balance of probabilities, I would think it was pretty much impossible in that scenario
    I should correct myself. Are muslims allowed to eat kosher meat if there is no halal meat available.
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    Apartheid?

    Ok, can you provide fact based examples of Israel practicing apartheid against non-Jewish Israeli citizens?
    Flawed question, as blacks weren't South African citizens under apartheid there either.

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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Flawed question, as blacks weren't South African citizens under apartheid there either.

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    While Arabs that live in Israel are citizens with exactly the same rights as Jewish Israelis.

    Sorted that one out, no apartheid in Israel.
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    While Arabs that live in Israel are citizens with exactly the same rights as Jewish Israelis.

    Sorted that one out, no apartheid in Israel.
    So by your logic, if a small number of blacks (about a quarter of the number of white South Africans) had been given South African citizenship and given all the rights of white South Africans, then it wouldn't have been apartheid any more, even though the vast mass of blacks would still have been denied citizenship?

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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    So by your logic, if a small number of blacks (about a quarter of the number of white South Africans) had been given South African citizenship and given all the rights of white South Africans, then it wouldn't have been apartheid any more, even though the vast mass of blacks would still have been denied citizenship?

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    Er,no.

    You claim Israel practices apartheid yet every single non-Jewish citizen of Israel enjoys the exact same rights as Jewish citizens of Israel.

    Obviously you have no idea what apartheid actually implies.
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    You claim Israel practices apartheid yet every single non-Jewish citizen of Israel enjoys the exact same rights as Jewish citizens of Israel.
    Every single black citizen of South Africa enjoyed the exact same rights as white citizens of South Africa. The regime just ensured that there wouldn't be any black citizens.

    You're not really grasping the point that discriminatory granting of citizenship to people under your rule is itself a crucial component of an apartheid system.
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    (Original post by Iridocyclitis)
    Where are the mass protests in London, etc. in light of this ban on Jews? Where's the huge petition to stop the leaders of these 16 countries paying state visits to Britain?
    You missed that half of them also deny entry to those with any evidence of having visited Israel in their passport too.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Every single black citizen of South Africa enjoyed the exact same rights as white citizens of South Africa. The regime just ensured that there wouldn't be any black citizens.

    You're not really grasping the point that discriminatory granting of citizenship to people under your rule is itself a crucial component of an apartheid system.
    Ah, so the Israeli version of apartheid is when they grant non-Jews full citizenship and exactly the same rights as Jewish Israelis.

    Crafty sods!
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    Israel is a disgraceful country paying little heed to the impact that their illegal actions have on the Palestinian population, the people who actually have the rights to the land. Israel builds its illegal settlements with the aim of destroying any possible chance in the future for Palestine to gain control over IT'S land again. (not to mention the illegal, internationally condemned wall they constructed on the West Bank in an attempt to disrupt and slowly annex the land until its under their complete control using the guise of 'security' as an excuse for their actions.)
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    Ah, so the Israeli version of apartheid is when they grant non-Jews full citizenship and exactly the same rights as Jewish Israelis.
    You may have missed the 4 and a half million Palestinians who don't have full citizenship and rights.

    Also, even the idea that the minority of Palestinians who do have Israeli citizenship have "exactly the same rights as Jewish Israelis" is a bit ridiculous. As exemplified by the fact that Palestinian villages can be forcibly evacuated and bulldozed to make room for a Jewish town. This is not in the West Bank - the Palestinian villagers who had their homes destroyed were Israeli citizens.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    You may have missed the 4 and a half million Palestinians who don't have full citizenship and rights.

    Also, even the idea that the minority of Palestinians who do have Israeli citizenship have "exactly the same rights as Jewish Israelis" is a bit ridiculous. As exemplified by the fact that Palestinian villages can be forcibly evacuated and bulldozed to make room for a Jewish town. This is not in the West Bank - the Palestinian villagers who had their homes destroyed were Israeli citizens.
    Provide a credible link.otherwise its simply more Jew hating propaganda.
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    Provide a credible link.otherwise its simply more Jew hating propaganda.
    Haaretz is "Jew hating propaganda"? You do know it's a major Israeli newspaper written by Israeli Jews for a primarily Israeli Jewish audience, right?

    But if you insist on a corroborating article, will the Jerusalem Post do?
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    It is mind numbing to see that, in the modern world, people still use an ancient RELIGIOUS book so as to justify the existence of nation states.

    Israel had no right of existing in the first place, based on the ethnic and religious make up of the territory (even AFTER the unfortunate Jewish exodus from Europe). However, based on its demographics TODAY, it has a 'right' to exist... but perhaps not to engage in what equates to ethnic cleansing and illegal colonization (especially considering that it's supposed to be a beacon of democracy and 'righteousness' in the Middle East).
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Also, even the idea that the minority of Palestinians who do have Israeli citizenship have "exactly the same rights as Jewish Israelis" is a bit ridiculous. As exemplified by the fact that Palestinian villages can be forcibly evacuated and bulldozed to make room for a Jewish town.
    While you found something that is not in the article ( the word 'Palestinians' ), you skipped the words "illegally built structures" that indeed are in the article. Good job.
    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Haaretz is "Jew hating propaganda"? You do know it's a major Israeli newspaper written by Israeli Jews for a primarily Israeli Jewish audience, right?
    No, it is not.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Haaretz is "Jew hating propaganda"? You do know it's a major Israeli newspaper written by Israeli Jews for a primarily Israeli Jewish audience, right?

    But if you insist on a corroborating article, will the Jerusalem Post do?
    Two things:

    The article linked starts off by telling us that the Israeli government claims the houses were built illegally.Our government demolish illegally built houses.

    While not a connoisseur of the Israeli press i'm sure they have their equivalent of The Guardian, with all that implies.
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    Two things:

    The article linked starts off by telling us that the Israeli government claims the houses were built illegally.Our government demolish illegally built houses.
    It also mentions that the residents were forcibly removed from their legal homes to the site of Umm al-Hiran (which they had to build more or less from scratch) in 1956. They were not permitted to return to their homes.

    The South African "black spots" were declared illegal too. You're applying a hindsight bias and looking for criteria that were absent or dubious in South African apartheid itself.

    While not a connoisseur of the Israeli press i'm sure they have their equivalent of The Guardian, with all that implies.
    There's a big difference between considering something biased, and describing it as "Jew hating propaganda".
 
 
 
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