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    (Original post by Reality Check)
    Danny the Geezer makes important and salient points. There is a large swathe of the white working class population who have been systematically failed by governments of both sides, and feel alienated in their own country - they've been totally passed over in favour of liberal claptrap on 'inclusivity' and 'diversity'. Not only is it grossly unfair and unjust, it is fertile soil into which the seed of extreme politics can be sown - we're seeing it all over Europe.

    Surely a government which comprehensively fails to look after its own people is a government which has failed.
    Oh get over yourself. The government has better things to do than to care about the feelings of white working class people who are too lazy to take up jobs available. Being white doesnt make you entitled to anything.
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    Anyone who is at least vaguely British would agree that our government should put Britain first and prioritise British people over foreigners. That's the repsonbility of a government.
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    (Original post by DirtyJesus)
    Oh get over yourself. The government has better things to do than to care about the feelings of white working class people who are too lazy to take up jobs available. Being white doesnt make you entitled to anything.
    Brilliant incisive analysis. Well done!
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    (Original post by Caius Filimon)
    You could just be honest about it and admit that you believe the role of the government is to spoil its unskilled workforce of the same nationality (and I'm guessing, same ethnicity) regardless of economics. The unskilled in the UK already have plenty of opportunities, as any university gap year would tell you. Qualifications, many minimum wage jobs, apprenticeships, etc. What is lacking is ambition and a work drive.
    Take it from me it's alright having ambition, then not being surrounded by the right peers/mentorship etc to achieve that ambition. But I take my hat if to those that do.



    (Original post by Caius Filimon)
    If one is incapable of academic work and as such does not take advantage of the immense university-level government funding, and is then unwilling to take up a minimum wage job which allows them to live a decent life (without many extravaganzas), he does not deserve it any better
    Again depends. Sometimes it's financially more rewarding to stay on benefits these days, have you seen the price of a single prescription item these days??

    (Original post by Caius Filimon)
    You sure do sound awfully (overly) socialistic. It's just that you seem to be of the national socialist sort, as in the government should be a loving socialist nanny state only to people of the local ethnicity and nationality.
    Isn't this the same principle that these protestors are protesting for though, to allow more refugees in because they are foreign, irrespective of their what they have to offer back to the UK? Since when did the UK have an obligation to take people in who have little to no skills to offer, can't speak the language, not all but some who have criminalistics intent, just because we have this unbeknown obligation???
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    (Original post by Treeroy)
    So japan and korea are not developed countries? Are you being serious?

    Every country has its own cultural attitudes... I am sure there are many British values and ideas and tendencies that people from other countries might find disgusting. doesn't make us non developed.
    Anywhere that can be described accurately as "being fairly racist" does not deserve the moniker of "highly developed". I don't see that as being contentious. If you're racist, you're a ****. A country full of dicks is not a nice place to be. I know, I lived and worked in Japan. Have you?

    Here's the tricky bit you might be missing; just because a country is good at tech doesn't mean their culture / attitudes are developed.
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    (Original post by Treeroy)
    So japan and korea are not developed countries? Are you being serious?

    Every country has its own cultural attitudes... I am sure there are many British values and ideas and tendencies that people from other countries might find disgusting. doesn't make us non developed.
    Japan and Korea aren't racist and the majority of people there aren't either, let's be realistic.
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    I agree with a bit of what you're saying however I can't agree with it all.
    I'm especially annoyed at what you said about school leavers and 'whose going to help them when they go down the wrong path', mate they're 16 year olds for gods sake they've got to start looking after themselves and realising that hard work is key to a good life.
    These youngsters who you supposedly think need help, they need to realise how fortunate they are to be in Britain with a free education, they need to get their heads down and stop pissing about - that's why they end up in the wrong path. Have you ever wondered how immigrants who have come here from war torn countries, whose first language isn't even English - yet they still manage to do incredibly well in school and get a good education and then an excellent job as a doctor, have you ever wondered?
    Mate, the British youth need to start being more passionate about their futures rather then leaving school at a young age or taking up useless degrees in photography. They don't need help from the government, they need help from themselves. I'm sorry but youth in this country are spoilt, they don't appreciate education which is why they're going down the wrong path- that ain't the governments fault.
    And if our government is able to give education and resources to immigrants who are far more appreciative, then so be it.

    That's my take on it.


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    (Original post by Reality Check)
    Brilliant incisive analysis. Well done!
    Brilliant comeback to a valid rebuttal. Well done!
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Why are you blaming refugees? Do you understand what a refugee is?

    Refugees arent to blame for youth unemployment. We take 30-40,000 asuylum seekes and about 45% of those each year will be granted refugee status. We give refuge to people who have fled persecution because we have a legal obligation to do so in light of the international agreemenwts we have signed. There are good reasons its in the UKs interest to take refugees for political and forein policy as well as humanitarian reasons.

    Refugees arent to blame for youth unemployment. That is down to the economy amd people nopt having the right skills for the jobs available. You confuse refugees with general economic migrants. Do you know the difference? poles arent refugees.

    They also arent to blame if you havent acquired the right skills in the education system. Blame yourself or the school system.

    If you resnt them having jobs at McDonalds why cant you compete? As you say they cnat speak the language, surely that puts you at an advantage?
    I think you should re read it again, he didn't blame refugees he blamed Eastern European economic migrants.

    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Refugees arent to blame for the shortage of housing. Blame that on governments for selling off and not building enough housing or the fact that houses are so expensive and people cant afford them. You can still get private rented accommodation so theres no reason you have to sleep on the streets. Many homeless are there because they have got lost in the benefits system or have additional issues such as drugs, acoholism and mental health issues.
    No, migrants did not cause our housing issues, but a rapidly increasing population has a hugely negative effect on it. And the fact is we are taking in hundreds of thousands of new migrants every year, and we cannot keep up with the demand, especially with council houses being scrapped almost uniformly across the country. If we slowed migration, we would not have these issues as they are now.

    Also privately renting is massively expensive. The housing crisis is not just about social housing you realise. The two are interlinked completely.

    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Work hard at school, go to Uni or college get trained up and get a good job is the path to follow. Its got nothing to do with refugees. There is no reason why a country as wealthy and powerful as the UK can't deal with these issues. Compared to other countries we take relatively few refugees compared to our size. You are scapegoating the wrong people.
    Its easy to say "just go to university" but its still not an option for many and should not be necessary! Funny how university never used to be commonplace and we did not have so many problems in this country. it never used to be necessary, it shouldn't need to be today.
    And again this is not about refugees, due to their very low numbers.
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    I agree with you, we should make sure we can accommodate our own citizens before we accommodate for illegal immigrants, people who aren't as qualified or people who come here to abuse the system. I think brexit and Trump's victory has in some part shown that people have lost faith in putting others first, maybe it is time to put "Britain First".
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    (Original post by MachinesCradle)
    To whom it may concern:

    Visit Japan then South Africa and then tell me that diversity is a good idea.
    What is your point about South Africa?

    S. Africa is a s*it hole because for decades white people raped black people of their rights, treated them like dirt and didnt allow them to advance or develop in any way, and now that black people have finally got control of the country again understandably its not the most developed place.

    YOU SOUND LIKE A RACIST. CORRECTION. YOU ARE A RACIST.
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    (Original post by ItsRoger)
    Japan and Korea aren't racist and the majority of people there aren't either, let's be realistic.
    I honestly have no idea although my Japanese friend says Japan is quite racist. I'm just following the poster's logic.

    (Original post by Drewski)
    Anywhere that can be described accurately as "being fairly racist" does not deserve the moniker of "highly developed". I don't see that as being contentious. If you're racist, you're a ****. A country full of dicks is not a nice place to be. I know, I lived and worked in Japan. Have you?

    Here's the tricky bit you might be missing; just because a country is good at tech doesn't mean their culture / attitudes are developed.
    Why? Why does racism mean not highly developed? There is nothing inherently wrong with being racist IMO, it does not affect anyone it's just an opinion. Ultimately there are much bigger fish to fry, such as inadequate housing, high poverty and unemployment rates, or keeping up a successful healthcare system.
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    (Original post by AxSirlotl)
    I agree with you, we should make sure we can accommodate our own citizens before we accommodate for illegal immigrants, people who aren't as qualified or people who come here to abuse the system. I think brexit and Trump's victory has in some part shown that people have lost faith in putting others first, maybe it is time to put "Britain First".
    It's not necessarily illegal immigrants - there's been too much legal immigration.
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    (Original post by Danny the Geezer)
    Isn't this the same principle that these protestors are protesting for though, to allow more refugees in because they are foreign, irrespective of their what they have to offer back to the UK? Since when did the UK have an obligation to take people in who have little to no skills to offer, can't speak the language, not all but some who have criminalistics intent, just because we have this unbeknown obligation???
    They're not protesting to let them in just because they're foreign, its because they are feeling war or unjustified persecution. You really don't know the difference between economic migrants and refugees. And on the 'criminalistic intent' same can be said when british people go abroad. Did you see the fights and riots they got in during the world cup and parts of the olympics?? Bad people do bad things irrespective of race, religion or colour.
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    (Original post by Danny the Geezer)
    Most young British people of my demographic - white (yes, seems the tables have turned) young, , "working class", Northern, males, don't stand a cat in hells chance in society these days because the liberal left wants to shout down the so called right. It hasn't worked evidently, given Trump's victory and Brexit.

    British jobs/benefits/hosing for British people. Great Britain!
    You were sounding reasonable until the bolded bit (didn't agree with everything but could see where you were coming from).

    Do you honestly think the right, the tories the party of Margaret bloody Thatcher give a toss about northern working class? Or people under 25? Two demographics basically never going to vote tory because the Tories keeps thoroughly screwing them over.

    And you talk about social housing? The right actively works to reduce social housing or anything state funded and controlled.

    (Original post by MachinesCradle)
    Ethnic Japanese make up 98.5% of the population and for some strange reason it's a very developed country with a high quality of life.
    It's also a country where people literally live to work, famously many people work themselves to death, and it also had major investment by foreign powers after WW2. That might have something to do with it.
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    Without immigration, UK would be in a catastrophe. The NHS would be a complete wreck.

    UK needs immigration, but at a controlled level. That I agree with.

    Letting in refugees for the sake of them being refugees is not the way to go. Some level of control must be needed.

    It's not racist or whatever to say that UK needs immigration control.
    It's just common sense.


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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Or we could help both the impoverished British population and the refugees fleeing from war and tyranny. Perhaps if we had a government for the people and not for the rich we could do that.
    We don't want to give refugee to anyone from Iraq or Syria (the Donald is right) it is in the ISIS manifesto that they would use the refugee crisis to expand into Europe it is too dangerous at the minute had it been a genuine war amongst 2 nations I would say maybe but with ISIS saying they would exploit the refugee crisis I would rather not take the chance. To our knowledge we have 450 ISIS members in the UK
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    (Original post by Reality Check)
    It's not necessarily illegal immigrants - there's been too much legal immigration.
    Exactly. The free movement of people from the EU has placed pressure on the NHS and social housing, more so recently. But I think the government is to blame especially because of the lack of CONTINUOUS investment in to these issues. They always come out around election time with a irrelevant manifesto which they only ever partly fulfil. The rest of their governance in spent appeasing society rather than helping, more so with the conservative government since they've come to power.
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    Me too.
 
 
 
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