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    (Original post by MiszShortee786)
    The only reason why I questioned you was because of your statement to someone that I came across
    And as I said, it's useless because you cannot know whether someone has used Google or not.
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    (Original post by Rhythmical)
    This isn't a case of them being righteous Islamically as they are non Muslim, how do you expect them to be righteous in that way? It's a case of you judging them for their non Muslim actions, not a case of if they pray five times a day and restrict their wives from doing anything.
    This has nothing to do with performing five daily prayers. What this has got to do with is people coming on this forum airing their views like they know the ins and out of Islam. Non Muslims can do what they want for all I care im sleeping in my grave at the end of the day. Its a way of guidance.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    And as I said, it's useless because you cannot know whether someone has used Google or not.
    Allah will know whether to you he is a fictional character but to me he is my lord. So at the end of the day I will continue to believe that Allah is ever watching and ever knowing to all that we do.
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    (Original post by MiszShortee786)
    This has nothing to do with performing five daily prayers. What this has got to do with is people coming on this forum airing their views like they know the ins and out of Islam. Non Muslims can do what they want for all I care im sleeping in my grave at the end of the day. Its a way of guidance.
    But isn't like that what you are doing with Western society and judging the men and claiming that they aren't pious and righteous as Muslim men and may not treat their wives respectfully without actually knowing anything?
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    I think you should break up. You will find someone who's actually worth marrying one day
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    (Original post by MrsSheldonCooper)
    By saying that you're implying that a woman is nothing but a man's property.
    She's not implying it...
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    (Original post by Rhythmical)
    But isn't like that what you are doing with Western society and judging the men and claiming that they aren't pious and righteous as Muslim men and may not treat their wives respectfully without actually knowing anything?
    Funnily enough I have known of several cases both Muslims and Non Muslims who didn't treat their spouse well. And suprise suprise guess what happened? And im not doing anything to western society I am only an individual who just minds her own businesses however when it comes to my religion I will speak up.
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    (Original post by Zamestaneh)
    "O' ma gerd, Muslim women are so oppressed that they don't believe they are really oppressed asdfgjkldjg"
    I'm sick of hearing people say that, I'm sure you are too.
    If a Muslim woman chooses to obey her husband, if she chooses to wear a hijab, if he chooses to not work and instead provide for the family, that is not oppression.
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    (Original post by Josb)
    She's not implying it...
    In Islam, a woman is not property but she is considered to be important for providing for the family and taking care of her children. Meanwhile, the man is not property either but he as well has responsibilities, such as providing an income to the household and teaching the children and making decisions for the family.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    It's typical Islamic rhetoric, they try and make out that anyone who isn't Muslim can't possibly understand Islam when TSR consistently shows that it's the non-Muslims who generally know more about Islamic theology than the Muslims.

    As an apostate you probably have it worse because as well as being "ignorant" you were probably "never a true Muslim" according to them either.
    A Muslim knows far more than a non-Muslim about Islam, just like a doctor knows far more about a random person about health and a teacher knows far more about their subject than the student.
    I'm sorry, but your point is just ridiculous in my opinion.

    An apostate is someone who hates Islam. They never knew anything about Islam and were influenced by their own desires instead of submitting to Allah. Therefore, they are indeed ignorant.
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    (Original post by Rhythmical)
    I think you will find it's been the other way round, you making bold statements claiming that non Muslims men are not righteous and then not backing your claims, and then stating that the non Muslims on this thread do not posses the knowledge to understand Islam when in fact you are in no way to judge those who are non Muslims and state that your men are better.
    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Again, just showing how insane and irrational your imaginary god is, who punishes people for things he himself has done.

    You are denying reality if you say that no non-Muslim men are righteous. Where is your evidence for this bold statement?
    I think 'MiszShortee786' is acting incredibly naive and from this beyond ridiculous argument is quite limited in knowledge.

    First off let me clear that Muslims are no better that Non-Muslims as Non-Muslims are no better than Muslims, as a Muslim I was lucky enough to be taught that (fresh from the Hadith).
    With regards to the issue of 'not understanding' Islam. I don't really think that's the problem.
    Although Islam is a complicated system like any other religion, I think it's the characteristics tangential to British Muslims today that are far more complicated and more easily understood, by people struggling the same hardships.

    For example, if I make the innocent assumption that the OP is an ethnic minority or child of one, this brings in a whole sh*tload of more issues to consider.
    I speak from experience, it's not explaining my religion, to my non-Muslim friends that's the difficult part; the issue lies in telling my same friends:
    I can't walk through an Asian neighbourhood with a girl of any race/religion because of how fast news will travel and how my whole family name will be dishonoured at the rest of the community will look down on me.
    Or that I couldn't stay out later than a certain time otherwise I'd have 30 missed calls and a stern mother waiting with a sandal in her hand :lol:.
    Though my examples are very simple and basic, some issues can be more delicate to talk about, the culture set by first-generation Muslim migrants truly is toxic and really doesn't help any of the modern issues Islam faces today.

    With regards to the OPs post,
    Although strict guidelines have been set for relationships in Islam; Islam does not teach force and only God can judge you when the time comes.
    Do what's best for you and makes you happiest.

    Note: Islam touches each corner of the globe with Muslims coming in every colour and shape, this includes cultures and upbringing.
    My girlfriend doesn't wear a hijab and I don't really care for the approval of my parents (even though they would still approve).
    My opinion, if you make the (rather dumb) move of leaving your boyfriend because he's not a Muslim, you'll feel crappy just like any other break-up. But I'm sure you'll still find someone muslim or not.

    Peace
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    (Original post by BigTraderBoi)
    A Muslim knows far more than a non-Muslim about Islam, just like a doctor knows far more about a random person about health and a teacher knows far more about their subject than the student.
    I'm sorry, but your point is just ridiculous in my opinion.

    An apostate is someone who hates Islam. They never knew anything about Islam and were influenced by their own desires instead of submitting to Allah. Therefore, they are indeed ignorant.
    Incorrect. Belonging to a faith in no way means a believer will always know more then a non-believer. That's a blatantly fallacious comment to make which can easily be disproved by noting the existence of atheist theologians.

    And here we go, the No true Scotsman fallacy. Hating Islam and leaving it has no bearing whatsoever on knowledge. Many Muslims leave the religion after actually reading the Quran properly and seeing it for what it truly is.
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    (Original post by BigTraderBoi)
    A Muslim knows far more than a non-Muslim about Islam, just like a doctor knows far more about a random person about health and a teacher knows far more about their subject than the student.
    I'm sorry, but your point is just ridiculous in my opinion.

    An apostate is someone who hates Islam. They never knew anything about Islam and were influenced by their own desires instead of submitting to Allah. Therefore, they are indeed ignorant.
    Wow, how can you claim that without knowing anything? That's ignorant on your part and just shows how much you attack those for leaving the religion. I'm sorry if I lost my faith and decided to become an agnostic but it really isn't any of your business to judge me or anyone for that matter for making that choice and claiming that they had no knowledge of the religion they denounced.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Incorrect. Belonging to a faith in no way means a believer will always know more then a non-believer. That's a blatantly fallacious comment to make which can easily be disproved by noting the existence of atheist theologians.

    And here we go, the No true Scotsman fallacy. Hating Islam and leaving it has no bearing whatsoever on knowledge. Many Muslims leave the religion after actually reading the Quran properly and seeing it for what it truly is.
    if they saw it for what it truly is, then they wouldn't have
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    (Original post by BigTraderBoi)
    if they saw it for what it truly is, then they wouldn't have
    No. Just because you see it one way doesn't mean everyone does.
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    (Original post by BigBadAsh)
    I think 'MiszShortee786' is acting incredibly naive and from this beyond ridiculous argument is quite limited in knowledge.

    First off let me clear that Muslims are no better that Non-Muslims as Non-Muslims are no better than Muslims, as a Muslim I was lucky enough to be taught that (fresh from the Hadith).
    With regards to the issue of 'not understanding' Islam. I don't really think that's the problem.
    Although Islam is a complicated system like any other religion, I think it's the characteristics tangential to British Muslims today that are far more complicated and more easily understood, by people struggling the same hardships.

    For example, if I make the innocent assumption that the OP is an ethnic minority or child of one, this brings in a whole sh*tload of more issues to consider.
    I speak from experience, it's not explaining my religion, to my non-Muslim friends that's the difficult part; the issue lies in telling my same friends:
    I can't walk through an Asian neighbourhood with a girl of any race/religion because of how fast news will travel and how my whole family name will be dishonoured at the rest of the community will look down on me.
    Or that I couldn't stay out later than a certain time otherwise I'd have 30 missed calls and a stern mother waiting with a sandal in her hand :lol:.
    Though my examples are very simple and basic, some issues can be more delicate to talk about, the culture set by first-generation Muslim migrants truly is toxic and really doesn't help any of the modern issues Islam faces today.

    With regards to the OPs post,
    Although strict guidelines have been set for relationships in Islam; Islam does not teach force and only God can judge you when the time comes.
    Do what's best for you and makes you happiest.

    Note: Islam touches each corner of the globe with Muslims coming in every colour and shape, this includes cultures and upbringing.
    My girlfriend doesn't wear a hijab and I don't really care for the approval of my parents (even though they would still approve).
    My opinion, if you make the (rather dumb) move of leaving your boyfriend because he's not a Muslim, you'll feel crappy just like any other break-up. But I'm sure you'll still find someone muslim or not.

    Peace
    Thanks for your opinion which would not affect me in anyway BigBadAsh. Just to let you know I am a SOK. Thats not to boast or anything however that only means that I do know where I am coming from in terms of my religion and 'limited knowledge'. What you have done above is mix culture and religion together. Now whos Naive? Its like music and the Holy Quraan it will never entwine with each other just like culture and religion. You also dont make sense. Shows whos actually quite limited in knowledge,
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    (Original post by Rhythmical)
    Wow, how can you claim that without knowing anything? That's ignorant on your part and just shows how much you attack those for leaving the religion. I'm sorry if I lost my faith and decided to become an agnostic but it really isn't any of your business to judge me or anyone for that matter for making that choice and claiming that they had no knowledge of the religion they denounced.
    If one has left Islam,they have already attacked Islam and the Ummah, so I can attack their beliefs as well.
    You were likely influenced by the media, society and the lies you've heard. Not by Islam
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    (Original post by BigTraderBoi)
    If one has left Islam,they have already attacked Islam and the Ummah, so I can attack their beliefs as well.
    You were likely influenced by the media, society and the lies you've heard. Not by Islam
    Again, stop with these remarks. You don't know me, you can't tell me I've been brainwashed by the media because I left Islam. Like Planta said, just because you see it one way, doesn't mean anyone else should either. No one could force me to stay in Islam, this took me a number of years to get to this stage and believe me, last summer I tried very hard to keep my faith and try to make things work and it didn't; so you can't tell me that I was influenced.
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    (Original post by Plantagenet Crown)
    Incorrect. Belonging to a faith in no way means a believer will always know more then a non-believer. That's a blatantly fallacious comment to make which can easily be disproved by noting the existence of atheist theologians.

    And here we go, the No true Scotsman fallacy. Hating Islam and leaving it has no bearing whatsoever on knowledge. Many Muslims leave the religion after actually reading the Quran properly and seeing it for what it truly is.
    And many people also enter it daily.

    So whos actually at lost?
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    I understand. I'm Christian and married to a non Christian. And have been for a looong time
    He respects my belief and I respect his right not to
    I don't see why any of that is a sin
    What's more important is a good solid loving respectful relationship. I'm pretty sure God approves
    After all, it didn't work for your mum and dad did it?
 
 
 
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