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Original post by Beastylki579
I've got 1 A 7B's and 4C's at GCSE but generally most people have told me I would be better off going into Optometry. I was wanting to know would i get flat out rejected and would it be better if i applied to optometry and carried on and if I'm unhappy i should apply to go into Graduate Medicine? (even though it is more competitive).


optometry might be a safer bet, i'm actually wondering which course to take...
If you're not 100% set on Med, don't go for it.

If your A level predictions are good enough then I think you'd have a chance at Med, but some unis do look to grade requirements - you just have to check out which ones. It's a gruelling waiting process, and unfortunately they will often not even consider your personal qualities, and go straight to grades.

If you really want Med I think you have a chance :smile: Optometry is also a good degree though :smile:
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It honestly depends what your A-levels are like. I would suggest that with these GCSEs, Optometry is a more viable option. In terms of Medicine, you won't be flat out rejected just on your GCSEs - but you would have to apply to universities that place less of an emphasis on them.
Ultimately, do whatever you enjoy! :biggrin:
Original post by sfaraj
optometry might be a safer bet, i'm actually wondering which course to take...


Same
Original post by Morganblue68
If you're not 100% set on Med, don't go for it.

If your A level predictions are good enough then I think you'd have a chance at Med, but some unis do look to grade requirements - you just have to check out which ones. It's a gruelling waiting process, and unfortunately they will often not even consider your personal qualities, and go straight to grades.

If you really want Med I think you have a chance :smile: Optometry is also a good degree though :smile:


Originally i wanted to do it but after talking to many people , I've rethinked because i had a chat with my careers advisor and she said if she was an admissions tutor she'd reject me. I tried to tell her certain universities like Imperial don't look at GCSEs but she disagreed with me without a reason
Original post by Morganblue68
If you're not 100% set on Med, don't go for it.

If your A level predictions are good enough then I think you'd have a chance at Med, but some unis do look to grade requirements - you just have to check out which ones. It's a gruelling waiting process, and unfortunately they will often not even consider your personal qualities, and go straight to grades.

If you really want Med I think you have a chance :smile: Optometry is also a good degree though :smile:


Right now in tests I've got aabc if i get 3bs in mocks then I'd get 3 As but most people have discouraged me from doing it . Not sure currently i might take the UKCAT and BMATS , see what i can achieve if i do bad I'll just apply to Optometry.
Original post by Beastylki579
Originally i wanted to do it but after talking to many people , I've rethinked because i had a chat with my careers advisor and she said if she was an admissions tutor she'd reject me. I tried to tell her certain universities like Imperial don't look at GCSEs but she disagreed with me without a reason


Hmmm, that's annoying. I mean if you're really set on it this year for application there might be the chance to retake certain GCSEs, but then again that's a whole lot of work considering you'd be applying for a very hard course (I'm a dental applicant so it's a similar process). A lot of medical applicants have at least 2 A*'s (that's only from what I've seen though) but graduate entry could be an option - they only look at the degree then.

Hope this helps :smile:
Mo
Original post by Morganblue68
Hmmm, that's annoying. I mean if you're really set on it this year for application there might be the chance to retake certain GCSEs, but then again that's a whole lot of work considering you'd be applying for a very hard course (I'm a dental applicant so it's a similar process). A lot of medical applicants have at least 2 A*'s (that's only from what I've seen though) but graduate entry could be an option - they only look at the degree then.

Hope this helps :smile:
Mo


Thanks I was thinking of getting into Optometry and try Graduate entry but the problem with that is ,it is really competitive 1:30 in terms of places instead of the usual 1:10
Hopefully, I can give you some informed advice because I have done both:

Medicine
Pluses: More rewarding;
more academically stimulating;
more diverse, therefore could consider more interesting.
more choice of career at the end - various clinical specialties, OR non-clinical e.g. pathology, radiology OR pharma industry.
great if you are driven by a challenge.

Minuses: V demanding course
longer + unsociable hours in junior years after qualifying
less money unless you become superb/exceptional and get Harley Street private position 20 years later
you may not like some subjects e.g. I found otorhinolaryngology (ENT) boring, or you may not like waiting hours on end for a baby to be born OR standing in the operating theatre for hours (you have to do ALL specialties as a student).

Optometry
Pluses
Easier course and shorter
Daytime job
Income v low in pre-reg year but then improves to £35-50000 per year after passing PQEs.
Can work flexible days as a locum (earn more and can claim expenses (travel, parking, home office costs) off tax.

Minuses
Routine work might seem monotonous as need to do same procedure on every patient, although it depends how interesting you make it in terms of picking up ocular or systemic pathology (disease), and referring to GP accordingly.
Although income v good, there is not much scope for further progression unless you open your own practice (this is tough these days with multiples like Vision Express advertizing on TV (you could get a franchise with one of them [if you can't beat them. join them!])

IF MONEY IS A PRIMARY OBJECTIVE FOR YOU, DO NOT DO MEDICINE (go into accountancy or business)!

As far as admission is concerned, of course medicine is tougher, but where there's a will, there's a way as I say to my students - check out my reply to your other post.

Good luck!
Original post by Beastylki579
Thanks I was thinking of getting into Optometry and try Graduate entry but the problem with that is ,it is really competitive 1:30 in terms of places instead of the usual 1:10


Yeah, there is that. I mean there is the option to study Med abroad, if you've considered that?
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Original post by Beastylki579
I've got 1 A 7B's and 4C's at GCSE but generally most people have told me I would be better off going into Optometry. I was wanting to know would i get flat out rejected and would it be better if i applied to optometry and carried on and if I'm unhappy i should apply to go into Graduate Medicine? (even though it is more competitive).


Look into foundation medicine, lower requirements though still competitive.
Original post by Morganblue68
Yeah, there is that. I mean there is the option to study Med abroad, if you've considered that?


Yep but it wont work a lot of people come back because they find it way too difficult or they fail and its harder to a job with a degree abroad. Especially with brexit EU is no longer an option
Original post by macpatelgh
Hopefully, I can give you some informed advice because I have done both:

Medicine
Pluses: More rewarding;
more academically stimulating;
more diverse, therefore could consider more interesting.
more choice of career at the end - various clinical specialties, OR non-clinical e.g. pathology, radiology OR pharma industry.
great if you are driven by a challenge.

Minuses: V demanding course
longer + unsociable hours in junior years after qualifying
less money unless you become superb/exceptional and get Harley Street private position 20 years later
you may not like some subjects e.g. I found otorhinolaryngology (ENT) boring, or you may not like waiting hours on end for a baby to be born OR standing in the operating theatre for hours (you have to do ALL specialties as a student).

Optometry
Pluses
Easier course and shorter
Daytime job
Income v low in pre-reg year but then improves to £35-50000 per year after passing PQEs.
Can work flexible days as a locum (earn more and can claim expenses (travel, parking, home office costs) off tax.

Minuses
Routine work might seem monotonous as need to do same procedure on every patient, although it depends how interesting you make it in terms of picking up ocular or systemic pathology (disease), and referring to GP accordingly.
Although income v good, there is not much scope for further progression unless you open your own practice (this is tough these days with multiples like Vision Express advertizing on TV (you could get a franchise with one of them [if you can't beat them. join them!])

IF MONEY IS A PRIMARY OBJECTIVE FOR YOU, DO NOT DO MEDICINE (go into accountancy or business)!

As far as admission is concerned, of course medicine is tougher, but where there's a will, there's a way as I say to my students - check out my reply to your other post.

Good luck!


Thanks Optometry seems like a safer bet
Original post by SashaF
Look into foundation medicine, lower requirements though still competitive.


Thanks for the idea , unfortunately no because its for people that haven't taken the right subjects and can't get in through the normal route. There is gateway to medicine and placement year but they no longer have that. Leeds have indisciplanary science but the chances to do medicine is small
If you get straight As and A*s at A2 (and get really good admission test results), you could get into medicine (although it will be VERY difficult - you'd need to do your research). For example, St George's interview everyone who meets their minimum requirements. On the other hand, I'm a final year medical student and know a lot of optometrists who have gotten in for graduate-entry.
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Original post by Beastylki579
Thanks for the idea , unfortunately no because its for people that haven't taken the right subjects and can't get in through the normal route. There is gateway to medicine and placement year but they no longer have that. Leeds have indisciplanary science but the chances to do medicine is small


Actually, its to do with grades. See Kings University and Nottingham! A year extra.
Original post by SashaF
Actually, its to do with grades. See Kings University and Nottingham! A year extra.


I got a C in English language and a C in Physics :frown:
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Original post by Beastylki579
I got a C in English language and a C in Physics :frown:


Nottingham require 5B's. Do a quick google search and some research. :smile:
Original post by SashaF
Nottingham require 5B's. Do a quick google search and some research. :smile:


Just checked those 5Bs needs to include english language only 2 universities accept me leicester and imperial for medicine maybe warwick

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