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    (Original post by PQ)
    So a degree's value is only in terms of income?
    Give me an example of a worthwhile degree that doesn't increase employability.

    (Original post by jneill)
    (And here's a clue: Golf Management isn't an acceptable reply.)
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Give me an example of a worthwhile degree that doesn't increase employability.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/student...-10389746.html
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    He is almost certainly more employable than before. Retirement doesn’t necessarily mean closing the door on employment.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    He is almost certainly more employable than before. Retirement doesn’t necessarily mean closing the door on employment.
    SO which degrees don't boost employability then?

    Maybe you tell us specifically what degrees you're talking about?
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Give me an example of a worthwhile degree that doesn't increase employability.
    No degree ever reduces employability, so given that having any degree can allow you to access a small handful of graduate programs, does this not mean that technically every degree increases employability?

    Or have I missed a bit?
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    (Original post by PQ)
    SO which degrees don't boost employability then?

    Maybe you tell us specifically what degrees you're talking about?
    Golf management would be a good example, I suppose.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/student...-a6981811.html

    (Original post by Retired_Messiah)
    No degree ever reduces employability
    Source?

    having any degree can allow you to access a small handful of graduate programs
    And quite possibly exclude you from many other programs, e.g. ones that require experience, or ones that think you are 'overqualified'.

    does this not mean that technically every degree increases employability?

    Or have I missed a bit?
    No, because you are assuming that there is no opportunity cost of going to university. I.e. you are assuming that if you didn't go to university, there was nothing else you could do to increase employability, such as having an actual job, learning programming languages, learning foreign languages, etc.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Golf management would be a good example, I suppose.
    You walked into it didn't you.
    http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/undergra...ployabilityTab

    Also
    http://unistats.direct.gov.uk/subjec...0196/ReturnTo/
    £19k after 6 months and 5% unemployed.

    (this is only £2k less than Maths at Birmingham, and it has an 8% unemployment rate)
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    (Original post by jneill)
    You walked into it didn't you.
    http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/undergra...ployabilityTab
    Your claim is that because golf management jobs exist, that means that golf management graduates are more employable than non-graduates?

    What are their average earnings? How do they calculate the employment rate (is that the same method that shows Oxbridge graduates are less employable than graduates of some much less prestigious Unis?)
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Your claim is that because golf management jobs exist, that means that golf management graduates are more employable than non-graduates?

    What are their average earnings? How do they calculate the employment rate (is that the same method that shows Oxbridge graduates are less employable than graduates of some much less prestigious Unis?)
    See my edit.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    See my edit.
    Interesting that the numbers don't match up with what they claim on their website.

    But okay, while that was a bad example, it does not invalidate my point.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Interesting that the numbers don't match up with what they claim on their website.
    Which numbers? They say "94.4% employability rate" and I said 5% unemployed. Sounds pretty close (and probably a different year anyway).
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Which numbers? They say "94.4% employability rate" and I said 5% unemployed. Sounds pretty close (and probably a different year anyway).
    I guess
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Which numbers? They say "94.4% employability rate" and I said 5% unemployed. Sounds pretty close (and probably a different year anyway).
    Employability? That means they reckon a company would touch them with a bargepole. 5.6% unemployABLE is a cause for concern.


    Maybe they meant 94.4% got a job after leaving their institution but, if so, they should have said employMENT
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    (Original post by viffer)
    Employability? That means they reckon a company would touch them with a bargepole. 5.6% unemployABLE is a cause for concern.


    Maybe they meant 94.4% got a job after leaving their institution but, if so, they should have said employMENT
    Unistats gives it a 5% unemployment rate.

    Unlike the 8% for maths.

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    see what will happen in the next few years.
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    See UCAS Blog post discussing the figures:
    http://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/blog...e-decline.aspx

    e.g.
    "Perhaps the first thing to note is that the fall isn't a disaster. While the figures are down on 2016, applicant numbers by this point in 2016 were at a record high. Applicants from the EU in particular are only very slightly below 2015, which at that time was the highest they'd ever been. Given that since then the UK has voted to leave the EU, it is perhaps not surprising that their numbers have fallen despite government guarantees that tuition fees and loans will remain in place for EU students entering UK universities in 2019. And even with the fall, the number of applicants from the EU is already above the number of applicants from the EU who were accepted in the 2016 cycle."
 
 
 
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