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    (Original post by yudothis)
    I regard them intolerant, too. As I said they are both extremes that are ridiculous.
    This is what I meant when I referred to narcissism. It doesn't matter what you think. The fact is a lot of people hold each opinion, and, as I said, if everyone protests everyone else, rather than letting them speak, what you have is a worse situation, not a better one.
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    (Original post by Percypig17)
    Your views are hardly in line with mainstream conservative beliefs though, i.e. Trump's administration includes supporters of 'Gay conversion therapy' but opponents of the decriminalisation of drug use, euthanasia, and abortion. What happened to 'if they want it why can't they try it?' when it comes to contraceptive rights, which Republicans plan to defund?

    Richard Spencer getting punched is obviously wrong, but let's not act like physical violence is the only wrong thing here. Preaching a doctrine of White Supremacy- hatred towards all those who don't happen to be born White is clearly an example of intolerance, as is Trump's comments concerning the Mexican judge and poorly implemented ban on immigration from predominately Muslim nations (whilst allowing Christian refugees in purely because they're not Muslim).

    You've shifted the goalposts here by moving from intolerance (which the right is obviously guilty of as well), towards physical violence. Whilst it is very clear physical violence in any form, be it against Richard Spencer or among the Berkeley protestors, is something which should be condemned, let's not pretend that i) Physical violence is a norm among the Left, rather than the actions of a tiny minority ii) that the Right is not guilty of intolerance in many forms and iii) Richard Spencer's comments are merely 'stupid' and not hateful or intolerant towards non-whites.
    Well argue against my views instead of someone else's.

    What do you mean contraceptive rights? If you mean killing a human at the early stages of human development yes I'm against that except in very limited circumstances.

    what do you think of the intolerance of the protesters behind him? They were holding a sign saying "white lives matter too much" would you play it down if they were assaulted for being intolerant?

    I disagree with what trump said

    The nations that do not have stable governments and that makes it hard to vet: as long as the new system is in place by the time this freeze is over then ok if it takes longer then I will not be happy.

    Where in the executive order does it say let christians in because they are Christians?

    I never said I was talking about intolerance it was always violence, you have the right to be intolerant but you do not have the right to stop people using those rights on public property
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    This is what I meant when I referred to narcissism. It doesn't matter what you think. The fact is a lot of people hold each opinion, and, as I said, if everyone protests everyone else, rather than letting them speak, what you have is a worse situation, not a better one.
    But everyone doesn't protest everyone else. There are no protests against political opinions that aren't hateful.

    Milo wants to piss people off, people get pissed off and you are like "omg, what's going on".
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      (Original post by joecphillips)
      This is the problem what happens when you lose the power you have given your opponents the rights needed to attack you.

      Be consistent with your views is it ok to attack people you disagree with?
      Is Nazism a valid political view?
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      (Original post by Mathemagicien)
      Is Nazism a valid political view?
      Yes all political views are valid, it doesn't mean it should be mainstream but it doesn't give you the right to punch people you disagree with.

      I disagree with some of your views should I be allowed to punch you in the face?

      You have to apply your beliefs to everyone not just groups you would like to oppress.

      Here is what an ethicist has to say about punching nazis
      No. You don't get to punch people in the face, even if their ideas are odious. You don't. We want a civil society, where ideas are met with other ideas. We don't want a society that encourages thuggish behavior, where if someone has politics different from yours, you get to beat them up. Aside from it just being morally wrong in itself to assault people, there's the practical consideration that in a society where ideas are met with fists, one is as likely to be the punched as the puncher, and it's no fun to be punched in the face.
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      (Original post by yudothis)
      But everyone doesn't protest everyone else. There are no protests against political opinions that aren't hateful.

      Milo wants to piss people off, people get pissed off and you are like "omg, what's going on".
      Again, your problem is that you can't see anything outside your own opinions. Whether you personally regard Milo's ideas as 'hateful', they are just ideas. There is no incitement to any action. It is better for everyone if people do not silence those whose ideas they disagree with, and all we are talking about here is an idea which you personally disagree with, however you dress it up. If they're really as wrong as you think that ought to come out better in an environment in which people can express ideas and disagree with each other than in one in which mindless thugs go around closing down other people's functions. I've already explained the consequences if you shut people down: you attract others to their cause and make both sides more stubborn.

      Milo doubtless includes an element of trolling in his performances to generate media attention, as these unspeakable Berkeley morons have helped him to do, but that doesn't come close to justifying this kind of behaviour.
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      (Original post by joecphillips)
      If you would limit speech where would you draw the line knowing that you will eventually lose power and have made your oppression possible?
      Freedom of speech is a freedom that should be seen in retrospective to other freedoms we posses. For example nothing in theory is preventing you from walking into a shop and stealing, although yes there are laws that give us consequences, we are technically free to do that.

      Therefore similar to free speech we are technically free to say what we want, we should use this liberty to engage ourselves in mature ways. Not only this but we can easily abuse this power, and if you claim that for example racism is free speech then you clearly don't understand that calling a black person for example a ****** is verbal abuse, and therefore consequences should be enabled.
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      One has to laugh at all the authoritarian ideological communo-fascists on here on the left; free speech is a human right in Europe and a constitutional right in the US, attempting to limit it in either of those is CRIMINAL, that's what you leftists are, criminal sympathisers.

      All public universities that are paid for by taxpayers money that perpetuates Orwellian newspeak and "safe spaces" should have said funding revoked, I don't give a **** and neither does a majority of the population if some attention seeking gender fluid diversity studies undergrad special snowflake gets offended by Milo Yiannopoulous, facts don't care about your ****ing feelings.

      As for the "protestors" - what absolute cowards, wearing masks to hide their putrid anarchcunt faces; if I ever came into contact with an anarchist protest the first thing I'd do is rip one of those masks straight off and piss myself at the anorexic/obese (delete as appropriate) neckbeard lying underneath.

      #FREESPEECHMATTERS

      "But I don't want comfort. I want the opportunity to believe in god, I want poetry, I want real danger, I want freedom, I want goodness, I want sin." - Aldous Huxley, 'Brave New World'
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      (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
      Again, your problem is that you can't see anything outside your own opinions. Whether you personally regard Milo's ideas as 'hateful', they are just ideas. There is no incitement to any action. It is better for everyone if people do not silence those whose ideas they disagree with, and all we are talking about here is an idea which you personally disagree with, however you dress it up. If they're really as wrong as you think that ought to come out better in an environment in which people can express ideas and disagree with each other than in one in which mindless thugs go around closing down other people's functions. I've already explained the consequences if you shut people down: you attract others to their cause and make both sides more stubborn.

      Milo doubtless includes an element of trolling in his performances to generate media attention, as these unspeakable Berkeley morons have helped him to do, but that doesn't come close to justifying this kind of behaviour.
      I disagree with plenty of others ideas and do not support silencing them.

      Again your problem is that you seem to think your opinion is logically flawless and counts for more than that of others.

      What your problem is, too, that you still don't realize who these "morons" were that carried out the violence. It wasn't the Berkely students but anarchists known as Black Bloc.

      No doubt you will come up with some other "explanation" but I won't engage anymore. Quite ironic you were not just talking about narcissism, but then talking about what you were meaning about it.
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      (Original post by yudothis)
      I disagree with plenty of others ideas and do not support silencing them.

      Again your problem is that you seem to think your opinion is logically flawless and counts for more than that of others.

      What your problem is, too, that you still don't realize who these "morons" were that carried out the violence. It wasn't the Berkely students but anarchists known as Black Bloc.

      No doubt you will come up with some other "explanation" but I won't engage anymore. Quite ironic you were not just talking about narcissism, but then talking about what you were meaning about it.
      Well if you'd actually engaged with the point it wouldn't have been an explanation, it would have been a discussion. As it is you appear to be willing to support the silencing of other people's opinions but not to examine or flesh out your own.
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      (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
      Well if you'd actually engaged with the point it wouldn't have been an explanation, it would have been a discussion. As it is you appear to be willing to support the silencing of other people's opinions but not to examine or flesh out your own.
      All I got from you is how I have problems and you need to keep explaining things. You accuse me of not engaging with what you see as "the point" and yet don't engage with what would "the point" of my argument.

      You're boring, that's why I cannot be bothered.
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      (Original post by joecphillips)
      I never said it was but if someone wants to try it should they be stopped? This is in line with my position on drugs and euthanasia which I think should be legal.
      At last we agree. Unfortunately the authoritarian right are intent on telling others what they can and can't do with their own body.
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      The left always assault people then run away, they especially target women. They never fight like men. See how feminine acting and passive aggressive this guy is.
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      Why are SJWs and triggered liberals considered left?
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      (Original post by Fadel)
      Why are SJWs and triggered liberals considered left?
      They believe in extreme social leftism (cultural marxism) if not extreme economic socialism.
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      (Original post by Connor27)
      They believe in extreme social leftism (cultural marxism) if not extreme economic socialism.
      I'm a communist myself and in no way can see those people fighting for anything useful other than penis+penis and "which toilet to use". There is a difference between a socialist revolution and that thing they're trying to achieve.
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      The left has never been tolerant of ********s.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

      https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-10-...sm-london-1936

      Long may it continue.

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      (Original post by Fadel)
      I'm a communist myself and in no way can see those people fighting for anything useful other than penis+penis and "which toilet to use". There is a difference between a socialist revolution and that thing they're trying to achieve.
      Obviously, they don't believe in a full proletarian seizure of the means of production, they (mostly) support the maintenance of the capitalist system.

      However, the support drastic social reform and the abolition of equality of opportunity in favour of marxian equality of outcome, meaning that they believe everyone is the same despite obvious existing natural inequalities, like Down's syndrome for example.
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      (Original post by Connor27)
      they (mostly) support the maintenance of the capitalist system.
      So then they aren't Marxists for gods sake.

      They are liberals. They support private property along side all their the pro gay/race rights etc

      Do you think people with downs syndrome do not deserve human rights?
     
     
     
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