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    (Original post by Connor27)
    You're a disgrace, I hope you get caught by a Trumpite biker gang and get beat within an inch of your life or pepper sprayed and blinded.

    Oh wait, you're a leftist coward, you'll run away at any sign of danger and wear one of those pathetic puny masks to hide your face and eyes.

    Long may the left's continued defeat throughout the world continue.
    Real men punch Nazis :smug:

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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    So then they aren't Marxists for gods sake.

    They are liberals. They support private property along side all their the pro gay/race rights etc

    Do you think people with downs syndrome do not deserve human rights?
    How do you interpret "people don't deserve rights" from "people clearly aren't all the same and some inequalities are natural"

    Leftism is a mental illness confirmed.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    You're a disgrace, I hope you get caught by a Trumpite biker gang and get beat within an inch of your life or pepper sprayed and blinded.

    Oh wait, you're a leftist coward, you'll run away at any sign of danger and wear one of those pathetic puny masks to hide your face and eyes.

    Long may the left's continued defeat throughout the world continue.
    So you're wishing that a poster on an internet forum is beaten to within an inch of his life because he disagrees with you?

    Again, what a sad, lonely, pathetic individual you are.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    "people clearly aren't all the same and some inequalities are natural"

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    I agree with this. I just don't think it should matter and I don't care if something is natural. Do you live in a tree? Do you live in a hunter gather group? Each according to his need and each according to his ability implies inequality in humanity.

    You didn't answer my questions. Should someone with downs syndrome have human rights? Should they have food? Should they have shelter? Should they have medical care? I believe in the equality of outcome of all these things. Do you?

    Someone with Downs Syndrome is locked out of a load of employment opportunities though no fault of their own. His/her need should be met and not denied. Some level of equality of outcome is needed and the USA utterly falls short.
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    People have a right to protest. The problem with what happened there was not that people protested but rather that they used violence and didn't let him speak.

    But, again, the right of freedom of speech extends to my shaming and naming publically scum like Yiannopoulos. Period.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    The left has never been tolerant of ********s.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cable_Street

    https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-10-...sm-london-1936

    Long may it continue.

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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    People have a right to protest. The problem with what happened there was not that people protested but rather that they used violence and didn't let him speak.

    But, again, the right of freedom of speech extends to my shaming and naming publically scum like Yiannopoulos. Period.
    He was going to name undocumented students or something like that. Those students did good in protecting those people.
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    The guy is an enemy of Muslims and other groups. He's a hateful man, depraved and unhinged. He has no business being in an environment of learning and peace.
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    Americans are crazy
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    He was going to name undocumented students or something like that. Those students did good in protecting those people.
    No they didn't do good. Even if he was going to name undocumented students, that is public record, it's not confidential. And even if it is confidential and naming undocumented students is illegal, there is a legal procedure - you bring in the police to deal with that. If for whatever injustice that occurred, citizens took the matters in their own hands, it would be chaos (pun intended).
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    No they didn't do good. Even if he was going to name undocumented students, that is public record, it's not confidential. And even if it is confidential and naming undocumented students is illegal, there is a legal procedure - you bring in the police to deal with that. If for whatever injustice that occurred, citizens took the matters in their own hands, it would be chaos (pun intended).
    These police now hound Muslims etc. The police will come for these people if they were named. I think they did good.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    These police now hound Muslims etc. The police will come for these people if they were named. I think they did good.
    If these people are undocumented and if there are no laws against naming them publically, Milo would have done nothing illegal or particularly immoral. I'm all for changing immigration laws to allow everyone who is peaceful and has no record to migrate anywhere so long as they can get a job to support themselves. But it can't be that people break the law - i.e. migrate illegally - and the police just sit there and do nothing.

    Laws are the only thing that keep a society from turning into a jungle. They must be respected even if they are unjust. In a democratic, open society, people should campaign for a change in laws not break them whenever they find them to be unjust (as I do - I find immigration laws both in the EU in which I'm a citizen and in the US to be absurdly strict but that doesn't mean I will do what I want without regard to the legality of it).
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    Laws are the only thing that keep a society from turning into a jungle. They must be respected even if they are unjust.
    Anything that is unjust should not be respected.
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    If these people are undocumented and if there are no laws against naming them publically, Milo would have done nothing illegal or particularly immoral.
    Legality does not equal morality.

    Even if it was legal to name those people I find it immoral and support the actions of the people who denied him a platform.

    This is the problem. I don't see why we should tolerate scum trolls like Milo if his actions are going to result in people getting ****ed over by the american state. It's all well and good defending the rule of law but what happens when you have people who use the law to persecute people. America has a big deep history of the state and it's henchmen oppressing large amounts of people.

    When it comes to breaking laws it boils down to morality and strategy in the right circumstances breaking laws is fine imo. The rule of law is ultimately about brute force anyway. It only exists because the state has a monopoly on violence.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    He was going to name undocumented students or something like that. Those students did good in protecting those people.
    'or something like that', and there you go, there's the problem, you've no idea, you're just going on what you've heard in media outlets that erronously call him a white supremacist, the vast majority of his critics don't seem to know anything about the guy apart from the fact they heard someone on twitter call him a Nazi. I'm guessing you're trolling now, but if you're not, there is absolutely nothing good about beating up people simply for wanting hear someone with some controversial views speak.

    And again, the problem with this whole 'it's okay to punch a Nazi' meme is that it's very ambiguous right now who, if anyone, can actually be considered a Nazi, everyone seems to have forgotten what the term actually means ffs.
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    People should learn from history, violent protesting doesn't do anything good for the people protesting . . .

    Look what happened to the Suffragettes, when they attacked MPs, destroyed buildings, set churches on fire, stole from shops, that just made the men at the time not want to give them the vote even more. It was WW2 that give them what they wanted.

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    (Original post by BigTraderBoi)
    The guy is an enemy of Muslims and other groups. He's a hateful man, depraved and unhinged. He has no business being in an environment of learning and peace.
    That may be so, but it still doesn't take away his right to free speech under the First Amendment of the US Constitution and needless to say I don't think there is anything in it about 'hate speech', what even is hate speech, can anyone actually properly define hate speech? Who should decide what constitutes hate speech and how can you be sure they're not selective in what they deem hate speech to suit their agenda?
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Because extreme right wingers are so accepting and loving. Maybe both are just as bad as each other
    I missed all the Tea Partiers lighting **** on fire and assaulting people in the streets. Cut this moral relativism crap right out.
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    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Because extreme right wingers are so accepting and loving. Maybe both are just as bad as each other
    Sure there are some vile right wingers who would happily kill blacks and gays but it is very few in the west.

    but the whole antifa and millitant left are more accepted.

    If a neo nazi goes "KILL ALL BLACKS" 99% of people will be against him.

    But some antifa going

    "DOWN WITH TRUMP" Will be more accepted, the hard left are far more and very violent.
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    It's usually those who preach tolerance on end that end up being the most intolerant of all.
 
 
 
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