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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    Why should I answer any of your questions?
    (Original post by queen-bee)
    Self pity? You've yet to answer the question about Christians seeking asylum
    (Original post by Zargabaath)
    I assume the rest are fictitious too :lol:
    Can you guys make a group chat on Skype and sort out your differences there, instead of on this thread?

    Thanks.
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    (Original post by Dodgypirate)
    Why should I answer any of your questions?
    Pretty please my sweet sugarplum
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    (Original post by Palmyra)
    Can you guys make a group chat on Skype and sort out your differences there, instead of on this thread?

    Thanks.
    My apologies. I want to talk about the refugee ban
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      (Original post by Palmyra)
      The U.S. agreed to resettle (i.e. take in) 1200 asylum seekers held on detention centres on Islands off Australia, in return for Australia agreeing to resettle refugees from the countries you mentioned.
      Oh I see
      Thanks for clearing it up
      I feel like Trump should hire someone to speak on behalf of him at all times because his choice of words can be very... problematic
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      (Original post by queen-bee)
      My apologies. I want to talk about the refugee ban
      There are other threads for that, including my previous thread which you can find here.
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      (Original post by Dodgypirate)
      WARN-TORN AREAS OF THE WORLD THAT HARBOUR BLOODTHIRSTY TERRORISTS THEN.

      Wind your neck in sister.
      What's wrong with vetting? Rather than completely placing a ban..
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      (Original post by StrawbAri)
      Oh I see
      Thanks for clearing it up
      I feel like Trump should hire someone to speak on behalf of him at all times because his choice of words can be very... problematic
      Trump is used to getting his way or the high way. It'll be interesting to see how his presidencys works out in the next coming years
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      (Original post by queen-bee)
      Trump is used to getting his way or the high way. It'll be interesting to see how his presidencys works out in the next coming years
      At the moment he is being indulged. The Mexicans have denied the threat was made. The Australians have been very discreet.

      I am sure their respective ambassadors in Washington have the phone numbers of the Speaker of the House and the majority leader of the Senate.

      Mexico could have taken this to the Security Council. Lots of countries hostile to the US would have made diplomatic capital out of it and the US would probably have been left vetoing an otherwise unanimous resolution.

      Australian politics is pretty plain spoken and at some point Turnbull will call him a jerk.

      What the Washington insiders will see is America becoming a diminished power. The redneck braggarts won't, of course.
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      (Original post by Palmyra)
      U.S.-Australian ties have fallen to a new low
      That's a somewhat strange assertion. A "new low"? That implies they were previously poor and now they are worse. In fact, the only two countries closer than the US and Australia are the US and UK.

      The US-Australian relationship is extremely good. They have a free trade agreement, they share almost all of their intelligence with one another as members of the Five Eyes, they share a common language and much cultural intermingling. They are disposed in the same direction in terms of developments in the East Asian theatre. In short, their relationship is excellent and an unfortunate phone call hasn't changed that.

      In fact, it's a testament to the relationship that Trump has now backpeddled and said they will take the refugees. I doubt Trump would do that for any non-Anglo nation.

      The phone call was cut short after 25 minutes because Trump repudiated the refugee swap deal the U.S. reached with Australia in 2016
      The deal hasn't been repudiated. Trump doesn't like it, and he questioned it, but he has now confirmed the deal is going ahead.

      Trump is an idiot, but he's not a fool. Australia is an important ally, and Trump has opted to continue with a deal that his supporters would hate because of the importance of that relationship.
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)

      Trump is an idiot, but he's not a fool. Australia is an important ally, and Trump has opted to continue with a deal that his supporters would hate because of the importance of that relationship.
      Interesting distinction and explains why he does do well at business. He is a bully, he isn't a fool and he is scrupulous.
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      In fact, it's a testament to the relationship that Trump has now backpeddled and said they will take the refugees.
      I must have missed that Tweet; could you show me where/when he said that?

      The deal hasn't been repudiated. Trump doesn't like it, and he questioned it, but he has now confirmed the deal is going ahead.
      Accusing Australia of trying to export the next Boston bombers, cutting short a phone conversation in anger, then Tweeting about the deal (also in anger) seemed to suggest repudiation - but I concede that he has not actually done so (and in fact may have reaffirmed his commitment to the deal if what you say is correct).

      However, the fact he created such hostility over this, for essentially nothing, to the extent that Priebus and Bannon had to meet the Australian Ambassador in the White House shortly after Trump's outburst (perhaps to apologise for his naughty behaviour), does not fill me with joy about the implications for the way in which the U.S. is seen across the world.
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      (Original post by Palmyra)
      I must have missed that Tweet; could you show me where/when he said that?


      Accusing Australia of trying to export the next Boston bombers, cutting short a phone conversation in anger, then Tweeting about the deal (also in anger) seemed to suggest repudiation - but I concede that he has not actually done so (and in fact may have reaffirmed his commitment to the deal if what you say is correct).

      However, the fact he created such hostility over this, for essentially nothing, to the extent that Priebus and Bannon had to meet the Australian Ambassador in the White House shortly after Trump's outburst (perhaps to apologise for his naughty behaviour), does not fill me with joy about the implications for the way in which the U.S. is seen across the world.
      You and the world are going to have to get used to the idea that a forceful man who doesn't hide what he thinks, and who often thinks aloud, is in a position of great prominence. It is very common in business, though people who have been cocooned in the safe spaces of modern academe may not have been exposed to much of it in these times of namby-pambyism.
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      (Original post by Good bloke)
      You and the world are going to have to get used to the idea that a forceful man who doesn't hide what he thinks, and who often thinks aloud, is in a position of great prominence. It is very common in business, though people who have been cocooned in the safe spaces of modern academe may not have been exposed to much of it in these times of namby-pambyism.
      You're projecting.
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      (Original post by Palmyra)
      You're projecting.
      Eh? He isn't a forceful man? He does hide what he thinks? Your aren't cocooned in an unrealistic world of censored messages?
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      (Original post by Good bloke)
      Eh? He isn't a forceful man? He does hide what he thinks? Your aren't cocooned in an unrealistic world of censored messages?
      Senility is so sad.
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      Trump thought that the Australian Liberal Party was left wing and treated Turnbull as a hippie. :lol:

      He realised his mistake later.
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      (Original post by Good bloke)
      You and the world are going to have to get used to the idea that a forceful man who doesn't hide what he thinks, and who often thinks aloud, is in a position of great prominence. It is very common in business, though people who have been cocooned in the safe spaces of modern academe may not have been exposed to much of it in these times of namby-pambyism.
      And everyone in business hates that ******* boss like Trump...

      And he is running a country. Not a business.
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      (Original post by Palmyra)
      However, the fact he created such hostility over this, for essentially nothing, to the extent that Priebus and Bannon had to meet the Australian Ambassador in the White House shortly after Trump's outburst (perhaps to apologise for his naughty behaviour), does not fill me with joy about the implications for the way in which the U.S. is seen across the world.
      Yes, I agree with this completely. He is temperamentally unsuited to the presidency.

      Though the NY Times is reporting that Trump has suddenly u-turned on a number of foreign policy issues. Although it looked like he would cave to Putin, and in recent days Putin ordered his thugs in the Ukraine to go on the offensive believing Trump would look the other way, the White House has suddenly condemned Russia and affirmed US policy is that Russia must withdraw from the Crimea.

      Also, quite amazing given Trump seemed fanatically pro-Israeli right, the White House condemned Netanyahu's authorisation for 5,000 new settler homes to be built in the West Bank.

      I'm extremely surprised that Trump has taken these two positions; a sign that the Bannon faction (including Michael Flynn), which is basically a pro-Kremlin fifth column in the West Wing, has lost the bureaucratic battle for control over the Russia and Israel policies.
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      (Original post by yudothis)
      And he is running a country. Not a business.
      So were Genghis Khan, William the Conqueror, Attila and Henry VIII, all of whom were successful without being very popular.
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      (Original post by AlexanderHam)
      Also, quite amazing given Trump seemed fanatically pro-Israeli right, the White House condemned Netanyahu's authorisation for 5,000 new settler homes to be built in the West Bank.

      I'm extremely surprised that Trump has taken these two positions; a sign that the Bannon faction (including Michael Flynn), which is basically a pro-Kremlin fifth column in the West Wing, has lost the bureaucratic battle for control over the Russia and Israel policies.
      Or that King Hussein (who met him two days ago) found the right words to convince him.

      "Of course, you can build an hotel in Amman Donald, it's gonna be great, and if you want, you can even play in my private golf course - any time."
     
     
     
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