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Reply 2640
Original post by Student 01
Nope, nothing, nada. Have ventured in on the bourbons myself ...

I take it as its been almost a day and I have heard nothing, that means a rejection? :s-smilie:

"If you have not heard from us by the time this notice is posted, then your application for a Clarendon Scholarship has been unsuccessful."
Ah, well who was I kidding anyway!

Come'on Studentship or bye bye Oxford *sigh*


I know, it's rotten!

Come on studentship or it's bye bye Master's, bye bye DPhil, bye bye career in academia. :frown:
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Reply 2641
Original post by *Corinna*
it probably means you have an offer, but that your funding has not been approved yet. good luck :smile:


Thanks!
Indeed, just received an email with a pdf letter attached offering me a place for the MPhil Politics: European Politics and Society! Very, very happy, even though I can only afford to go to Oxford if I receive a scholarship (I can take out a government provided loan at home, but they have a limit which Oxford unfortunately exceeds).

Best of luck for those still waiting!
Original post by k.i.ivanov
hey guys,

Any news from the Clarendon Fund (Social Sciences division)? I see they have apparently amended the notification date and letters/funding decisions should be sent out today..

may the force be with us..


They've updated the page - all Soc. Sci. Clarendon awards have been made. No letter for me. I hope someone here had better luck!
Original post by HoVis
I know, it's rotten!

Come on studentship or it's bye bye Master's, bye bye DPhil, bye bye career in academia. :frown:



It actually makes me angry to see people unable to take up offers from the world's finest universities because of a lack of funding.
Original post by Student 01
It actually makes me angry to see people unable to take up offers from the world's finest universities because of a lack of funding.


Amen to that. Though I suppose I'm biased - I'm rapidly looking like I shall become one of those people.
Reply 2645
Original post by Student 01
I can totally relate with that. The pressure does NOT help at ALL.
Well I was just a bit taken aback because on their website it says high 2.i - Cambridge for example have asked only a 2.i of me.

Can I ask what Mst you applied for in English? And also if on your letter of acceptance, they mentioned anything about funding!

(I actually can't wait to complete undergrad and star postgrad! the undergrad is actually boring me just about now!)


I applied for the English and American strand, it was a last minute decision since I was preparing my application for the 1900-present strand for ages, and then decided I might be more suited to this one given I'm writing my dissertation on Nabokov and went to the US in my second year...

Funding wise they were like "Sorry you aren't getting any" basically :biggrin: I'm hoping that the Danish government will be nice and pay my tuition fees for me and will give me some pocket money too..gotta love Nordic socialism!
Original post by Athena
But who's supposed to pay? Where is the money going to come from? :s-smilie:


Well in theory it should come from the money that research brings into the departments...It is actually a big problem, because the result is that many good candidates opt for the US where PhDs come with funding.
Tbh it is ridiculous. We keep getting emails from our department that they will cut things like serving wine after the graduate seminars or that we ll have to wash our cups after the tea and coffee hours we get every week. I don't mind washing and I don't mind the wine (which was bad anyway) but it reflects on the gravity of the situation when you can't pay one graduate student £20 per week to do the washing up (as it used to be). The email was pretty desperate in general.
They forgot to mention though that they also cut the departmental scholarships they offered. Ha...

But its not the university's fault only. The government has massively cut funding so they have to adapt. Bottom line is however that they lose good students.
Original post by *Corinna*
Well in theory it should come from the money that research brings into the departments...


Sorry, can you explain this theory a bit more? In what world of philanthropic giving would research money be sufficient to support research, competitive academic salaries, teaching costs, equipment, teaching spaces, laboratories, libraries and postgraduate students (accommodation, consumables, living costs etc)?
Reply 2648
Original post by threeportdrift
Sorry, can you explain this theory a bit more? In what world of philanthropic giving would research money be sufficient to support research, competitive academic salaries, teaching costs, equipment, teaching spaces, laboratories, libraries and postgraduate students (accommodation, consumables, living costs etc)?


It depends upon the subject. Many PhD studentships in the sciences are actually attached to pre-existing research and there is less onus placed on the prospective student to design a research project as there is in the Social Sciences and Humanities (although this still happens).

Research is funded by a combination of charitable, private and public sector expenditure. Equipment, labs etc are usually paid for separately.

Personally I would extend the Career Development Loan principle to cover the full costs of a Masters. I do not think it is financially realistic for government to fund PhDs through a system of loans. Funded studentships are the best way here and these are ideally selected purely on merit.

If you are curious about research income you should probably read the annual accounts of the leading research Universities in the country - Oxbridge, Manchester and the University of London colleges. It amounts to hundreds of millions and it is perfectly conceivable that it could be extended slightly to facilitate more PhD studentships.
Original post by nervousgirl
They've updated the page - all Soc. Sci. Clarendon awards have been made. No letter for me. I hope someone here had better luck!


Darn. No luck for me either..

Oh well, c'est la vie! :smile:
Original post by *Corinna*
Well in theory it should come from the money that research brings into the departments...It is actually a big problem, because the result is that many good candidates opt for the US where PhDs come with funding.
Tbh it is ridiculous. We keep getting emails from our department that they will cut things like serving wine after the graduate seminars or that we ll have to wash our cups after the tea and coffee hours we get every week. I don't mind washing and I don't mind the wine (which was bad anyway) but it reflects on the gravity of the situation when you can't pay one graduate student £20 per week to do the washing up (as it used to be). The email was pretty desperate in general.
They forgot to mention though that they also cut the departmental scholarships they offered. Ha...

But its not the university's fault only. The government has massively cut funding so they have to adapt. Bottom line is however that they lose good students.


Well even more tragically I think, good students miss out on furthering their education.

In regards to who should pay? Well I think there is an obvious discrepancy between the sciences and the arts when it comes to funding. That is where the problem lies, if cuts are being made to the arts, in some cases, to the tune of 80+% then, subsidies need to be made from other departments to somewhat retain a fairer medium. Yes the sciences have a MATERIAL impact, but the humanities are a necessity too, not a luxury.
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Original post by threeportdrift
Sorry, can you explain this theory a bit more? In what world of philanthropic giving would research money be sufficient to support research, competitive academic salaries, teaching costs, equipment, teaching spaces, laboratories, libraries and postgraduate students (accommodation, consumables, living costs etc)?


"philanthropic giving"? surely you mean investment, or should mean investment. Humanities is an investment, a social one at that. In which case yes, enough investments needs to be made in order to support the listed requirements. The problem as we've identified is not enough money is invested into certain subjects and this results in a lack of funding for subjects like English.


Original post by misha j.
I applied for the English and American strand, it was a last minute decision since I was preparing my application for the 1900-present strand for ages, and then decided I might be more suited to this one given I'm writing my dissertation on Nabokov and went to the US in my second year...

Funding wise they were like "Sorry you aren't getting any" basically :biggrin: I'm hoping that the Danish government will be nice and pay my tuition fees for me and will give me some pocket money too..gotta love Nordic socialism!



That sounds like a plan! Well I hope it works out :smile:
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Original post by HLS
If you are curious about research income you should probably read the annual accounts of the leading research Universities in the country - Oxbridge, Manchester and the University of London colleges.


Quoted for the simple joy of being told to do my job :smile:

Original post by HLS
It amounts to hundreds of millions and it is perfectly conceivable that it could be extended slightly to facilitate more PhD studentships.


Drop me a line as to how, because none of us can work out how to do it :rolleyes:
I was looking at the Master of Public Policy (MPP) program offered by the Blavatnik School of Government. The one year masters program is new and is currently accepting its first class of students in September 2012. Do you guys think that because the program is new it will be easier to get accepted since not a lot of people know about it?
Original post by Student 01
"philanthropic giving"? surely you mean investment, or should mean investment. Humanities is an investment, a social one at that. In which case yes, enough investments needs to be made in order to support the listed requirements. The problem as we've identified is not enough money is invested into certain subjects and this results in a lack of funding for subjects like English.



You can use the language to suit yourself, but if you want to converse between people and make sense, then the conventions about meaning need to be followed. Financial 'investment' that does not offer any economic benefit to the 'investor', save that of the improvement of mankind/society etc is called philanthropy. Sure, philanthropic donors 'invest' their money for these reasons, but not enough of us and not enough money.
I got a Clarendon for MSc in African Studies! i can't believe it! good luck to everyone!
Still haven't heard directly from the African Studies Program. But I guess I can assume I got in.
Original post by threeportdrift
You can use the language to suit yourself, but if you want to converse between people and make sense, then the conventions about meaning need to be followed. Financial 'investment' that does not offer any economic benefit to the 'investor', save that of the improvement of mankind/society etc is called philanthropy. Sure, philanthropic donors 'invest' their money for these reasons, but not enough of us and not enough money.


Thank you for teaching me about philanthropy and finance. I assumed given the context, that being funding, it was quite obvious that "philanthropy" does, as you point out in the last sentence, have a point. To what extent we can have philanthropy by your definitions is a question in itself. I do apologise if what I am writing does not make sense to you.
Reply 2657
Original post by threeportdrift
Quoted for the simple joy of being told to do my job :smile:


Haha - of course, I had no way of knowing this was your job!

Original post by threeportdrift
Drop me a line as to how, because none of us can work out how to do it :rolleyes:


I am not implying it should be a University's responsibility to carve out more money from research income for PhD students, rather that state funding should apportion funding at the supply side especially for this purpose.

From a University's perspective I don't think there is a great deal more that they can do. Oxbridge are better than virtually every other University in the UK at using funds to open up access, and it is still not enough.
Reply 2658
Original post by maggiesfarmer
I got a Clarendon for MSc in African Studies! i can't believe it! good luck to everyone!
Still haven't heard directly from the African Studies Program. But I guess I can assume I got in.


Amazing! Well done! Yes I assume this means you got a place!
Original post by Student 01
Thank you for teaching me about philanthropy and finance. I assumed given the context, that being funding, it was quite obvious that "philanthropy" does, as you point out in the last sentence, have a point. To what extent we can have philanthropy by your definitions is a question in itself. I do apologise if what I am writing does not make sense to you.



Well in the UK, the philanthropy you see is the philanthropy that there is. Charities (which includes universities) are obliged to put philanthropic funds to the specific use the donors request. So if there isn't enough scholarship money, that's because potential donors are not donating. As university fundraising is increasingly professionalised, especially in the Oxbridge, Manchester and London universities, and is financially very efficient, it would seem the argument for funding post-graduate students is just not convincing enough.

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