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University of Oxford, Pawel-Sytniewski
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Oxford Graduate Application 2012/13

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First off, are you sure that your postgrad diploma equates to a masters degree? It's a postgrad qualification but as far as I know, a diploma qualification is different from (and lower than) a masters degree qualification.

I tend to agree with not declaring your postgrad diploma though make sure that your referees are aware of that since they know you through that course and are quite likely to mention it in your references.

Your work experience will definitely strengthen your application especially since it's directly relevant to your course.

Good luck!
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1st Declare it, when they don't want your final grade ==> no problem, if not then try to get a reference where your grades are explained (e.g. percentages/ranking would look a lot better). Do you want them to find it our later? Do you want to apply with a "I had to drop out, because I haven't declare my second diploma, thuy I am not trustfull and may hiding things to you as well?". Well, if they don't ask for your degrees or don't want a curriculum vitae there is no problem.
2nd As you have worked for a long time, they have more to judge you on, as if you would have applied straight after your MA.
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Original post by Ghost6
What about "hiding" your postgraduate diploma? I do not endorse lying by omission in principle but to be honest they would have no way to know especially if you changed schools from after undergrad and can ask your former undergrad professors for references.


I haven't filled in many postgrad application forms but all the ones I have seen ask you to list ALL your university study. I just think this is very bad form, to leave something out.Yes, they may not find out, but then again they may. Also then there is a time gap that needs to be explained? Plus the fact that the OP seems to think would get good references from the postgrad lecturers. Also, this course seems quite different from anything to do with an MBA type degree, the harder question might not be so much about the grades but about why the change on direction - that can be addressed in the personal statement though and the work experience should do that.

I also question the MBA equivalency though, every post-grad diploma in business/management I have seen is usually a "part MBA", fewer courses and no dissertation.
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Hello, I'm struggling with which essay I should submit for my English application (1900-present Mst) and I'd really appreciate some advice.

I'm trying to decide between two essays. My statement of purpose is going to emphasise my interest in the evolution of narrative in the 20th century onwards with a focus on postmodern literary theory.

Essay A: 4800 words, so will need to be edited into extract form. About the relationship between postromanticism and naturalism, so fairly relevant to my desired area of study. Scored a 78.

Essay B: 3700 words, so shouldn't need much tweaking. Completely unrelated to my desired area of study (it's about Keats & gender). Scored an 89.

So, which would be best to submit? While Essay B has a significantly higher mark there's always the concern about different markers' standards, and I'm fairly certain that the marker for Essay A is quite strict with marks. Is the fact that Essay A will need to be submitted as an extract detract significantly from its likeliness to win over the Oxford application people? Perhaps a mark against Essay B is that it got rejected from my uni's undergrad journal, so it clearly doesn't appeal to everybody.

Thanks in advance for any help.
Hi, I've tried asking everywhere else and got no replies! Does anyone have advice on where to apply for an astrophysics PhD???
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Pardon me if this sounds obvious, but you should be checking the departmental websites of a variety of institutions. Figure out which ones are doing astrophysical research that you find interesting and apply there.

Keep in mind that in some places, Astrophysics is a sub-department or division of the Department of Physics, at others it is its own separate department, and still, at others, it is grouped in with the Astronomy department. Be sure to verify all of these options when looking at different schools' websites.
Original post by HankJones
Pardon me if this sounds obvious, but you should be checking the departmental websites of a variety of institutions. Figure out which ones are doing astrophysical research that you find interesting and apply there.

Keep in mind that in some places, Astrophysics is a sub-department or division of the Department of Physics, at others it is its own separate department, and still, at others, it is grouped in with the Astronomy department. Be sure to verify all of these options when looking at different schools' websites.


I'm afriad I've looked into that aspect already, but I was wondering if anyone could give me more information as to which universities have a good reputation for postgrad astrophysics, as opposed to just undergrad physics (which I've got a pretty good idea of haha). I'm interested in the research at Sheffield, for example, but I don't know if it has a poor reputation compared to other departments. As I will likely be called for interviews at several of the places I wish to apply to, I want to try and make sure I limit my choices to say 4/5 really good ones...

So far I'm looking at Oxford, Durham, Edinburgh and unsure about LJMU, Manchester, Sheffield..
I was quite interested in York but either they have a really awful website, or they just don't have an astro research group!
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If you want to study astrophysics at the PhD level, you should be doing it for the reason that you enjoy astrophysical research, not for the job prospects. Frankly, outside of academia and national laboratories, there isn't much demand for people with a doctorate in astrophysics. Consequently, you shouldn't be selecting an institution based on prestige but based on the kind of research that they do. More specifically, the fact that there are experts there who study things that you are highly passionate about. That way, you'll be passionate about your work and do the best research that you can.

When you make it to the next phase of your academic career, you will be assessed on the quality of research that you have performed as a PhD student. The prestige or perceived prestige of the institution is largely irrelevant when compared to your actual contributions to science.

Institutional name brands will have more of an effect if you decide to work in industry after getting your PhD, but if your goal is to work in industry, I would argue that you shouldn't be getting a PhD in astrophysics, but rather in something related to the industry that you would like to eventually work in.

My apologies if you know this already. I'm not trying to be condescending, but I figured that it might be useful to to make these points.

I should warn you that although I now study a different branch of physics, I used to be heavily involved in astrophysics research (before switching to my current subfield). So, my recommendations may be somewhat out of date. In addition to the top three schools that you mentioned, I would also throw in Cambridge's Institute of Astronomy of being a generally great department as well as Manchester, specifically for their pulsar research.

However, although these departments are good overall, they are of no use to you if they don't have people who are interested in the same things your are interested in. My suggestion is to for you to talk to your current lecturers who are astrophysicists and ask them where they think the interesting research is coming from for your particular topic of interest. This should start to give you an idea of schools worth applying to. Another suggestion is to keep an eye on the arXiv and take note which institutions are producing the papers that you find particularly fascinating. This too should provide a hint of which schools deserve further attention.

Good luck!
I'm researching fee costs at the moment, does anyone know whether the 'college fee' is a single payment covering the duration of the course or is it something which is paid annually?
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Original post by redflipflop
I'm researching fee costs at the moment, does anyone know whether the 'college fee' is a single payment covering the duration of the course or is it something which is paid annually?


It is an annual fee (that excludes the cost of accommodation and meals) paid in addition to the course fee and any other sundry costs (textbooks etc.) The following is taken from Oxford's website:

There are three types of expense to budget for when calculating the cost of graduate study:

University tuition fee
Fees are payable for each year of your course. Most courses have a maximum period for which fees are payable. The rate you pay depends on the University’s assessment of your fee status as ‘Home/EU’ or ‘Overseas’ and on the qualifications you already hold.

College fee
The college fee covers academic facilities and other services provided by your college. The fee, which you will need to pay each year to your college for the period you are liable for fees, does not include accommodation or meal charges and is payable in addition to the University tuition fee.

Living costs
University tuition and college fees are fixed for each year, but will increase from one year to the next. These are usually payable to your college.

See http://www.ox.ac.uk/feesandfunding/fees/calculator/ to calculate your actual fee liability.
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College Fees are paid annually. They also vary from college to college.
Ok, thank you for your help. I think we got our wires crossed a little, though. I just meant that places might be doing research which really interests me, but also might not be very good at helping PhD students along the way/giving guidance/may not have an inspiring/welcoming atmosphere compared to other places. I wasn't really thinking along the lines of prestige, because I'm aware there are very good astrophysics departments in universities which aren't at all highly regarded overall.
My supervisor has basically listed a whole load of places (Exeter, Leicester etc) that are down south. I was wondering if there are any equivalents up north.. but you kind of answered that now with Manchester! :smile:
I wasn't asking which have the highest prestige, more which universities I wouldn't immediately think of because they're not 'top' at undergraduate, but still have great research departments.

Also, I'm thinking of a PhD because I think it's something I would really enjoy, but at the moment I'm not sure where I would head afterward - whether that is further academia or a job in another (physics related) sector. If you have any advice on whether the latter is possible, that would be great!

Original post by HankJones
If you want to study astrophysics at the PhD level, you should be doing it for the reason that you enjoy astrophysical research, not for the job prospects. Frankly, outside of academia and national laboratories, there isn't much demand for people with a doctorate in astrophysics. Consequently, you shouldn't be selecting an institution based on prestige but based on the kind of research that they do. More specifically, the fact that there are experts there who study things that you are highly passionate about. That way, you'll be passionate about your work and do the best research that you can.

When you make it to the next phase of your academic career, you will be assessed on the quality of research that you have performed as a PhD student. The prestige or perceived prestige of the institution is largely irrelevant when compared to your actual contributions to science.

Institutional name brands will have more of an effect if you decide to work in industry after getting your PhD, but if your goal is to work in industry, I would argue that you shouldn't be getting a PhD in astrophysics, but rather in something related to the industry that you would like to eventually work in.

My apologies if you know this already. I'm not trying to be condescending, but I figured that it might be useful to to make these points.

I should warn you that although I now study a different branch of physics, I used to be heavily involved in astrophysics research (before switching to my current subfield). So, my recommendations may be somewhat out of date. In addition to the top three schools that you mentioned, I would also throw in Cambridge's Institute of Astronomy of being a generally great department as well as Manchester, specifically for their pulsar research.

However, although these departments are good overall, they are of no use to you if they don't have people who are interested in the same things your are interested in. My suggestion is to for you to talk to your current lecturers who are astrophysicists and ask them where they think the interesting research is coming from for your particular topic of interest. This should start to give you an idea of schools worth applying to. Another suggestion is to keep an eye on the arXiv and take note which institutions are producing the papers that you find particularly fascinating. This too should provide a hint of which schools deserve further attention.

Good luck!
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Ugh, I accidently made a spelling mistake in my statement of purpose and it's already submitted ("I'd like to emphasized".. a "d" too many it seems). Even though it really is unacceptable for graduate philosophy applicants, I hope it won't hurt my chances...... Sigh, I read over it like 10 times, had my parents proofread it, a good student who's a friend of mine too, and we all missed it. It's "funny" how you see those things after you submit them.

Anyway, I e-mailed graduate admissions right after I noticed it, and they notified me that they cannot swap the statement with a newer version without any errors, sadly. They said that they would just "add it to the application", so hopefully the assessors will see the correct version first. I can't believe that I made such a silly mistake on such an important moment; it's really my dream to do my postgraduate studies there. Here's to months of anxiety and sleepless nights! :frown:
Original post by Humberto
Ugh, I accidently made a spelling mistake in my statement of purpose and it's already submitted ("I'd like to emphasized".. a "d" too many it seems). Even though it really is unacceptable for graduate philosophy applicants, I hope it won't hurt my chances...... Sigh, I read over it like 10 times, had my parents proofread it, a good student who's a friend of mine too, and we all missed it. It's "funny" how you see those things after you submit them.

Anyway, I e-mailed graduate admissions right after I noticed it, and they notified me that they cannot swap the statement with a newer version without any errors, sadly. They said that they would just "add it to the application", so hopefully the assessors will see the correct version first. I can't believe that I made such a silly mistake on such an important moment; it's really my dream to do my postgraduate studies there. Here's to months of anxiety and sleepless nights! :frown:


Aww, chin up Humberto! I'm sure your statement is otherwise fantastic, and they are more likely be overwhelmedd (get it) by your talents and interested in what you've written, than bothered by a simple typo. Imo you'd only need to worry if it was a grammatical/spelling error - that shows laziness and incompetence - this just shows you're human!
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Original post by Sophos
It is an annual fee (that excludes the cost of accommodation and meals) paid in addition to the course fee and any other sundry costs (textbooks etc.) The following is taken from Oxford's website:

There are three types of expense to budget for when calculating the cost of graduate study:

University tuition fee
Fees are payable for each year of your course. Most courses have a maximum period for which fees are payable. The rate you pay depends on the University’s assessment of your fee status as ‘Home/EU’ or ‘Overseas’ and on the qualifications you already hold.

College fee
The college fee covers academic facilities and other services provided by your college. The fee, which you will need to pay each year to your college for the period you are liable for fees, does not include accommodation or meal charges and is payable in addition to the University tuition fee.

Living costs
University tuition and college fees are fixed for each year, but will increase from one year to the next. These are usually payable to your college.

See http://www.ox.ac.uk/feesandfunding/fees/calculator/ to calculate your actual fee liability.



Thank you! Soooooo expensive, but probably worth it.
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Original post by TheRandomer
Also, I'm thinking of a PhD because I think it's something I would really enjoy, but at the moment I'm not sure where I would head afterward - whether that is further academia or a job in another (physics related) sector. If you have any advice on whether the latter is possible, that would be great!

Let me first preface these comments by saying that I'm just a physics PhD student. But, I used to work in industry before starting graduate school and have given the whole job prospects thing a lot of thought and research. Furthermore, I have many friends with physics PhDs who are looking for work outside of academia so I get some anecdotes from them on occasion.

The short answer is that there are not a lot of physics jobs outside academia. There are jobs in the health sector related to medical physics as well as research done by materials and manufacturing companies. There is also work done by companies dealing with optics and lasers. However, these sort of jobs are typically hiring physicists who have studied medical physics, condensed matter and atomic/molecular/optical physics, respectively. Mainly, those are the types of students that have hands-on experience and know the necessary theory required for working in those fields. Someone with an astrophysics PhD will be at a disadvantage when applying for such jobs. It doesn't mean that you can't secure such employment, but you have an uphill battle against those who have actually done research related to the industry's interests.

Many people with physics PhDs find themselves in the finance and banking sectors. These industries actively hire scientists and engineers for their math and computer skills. However, to secure such a job, one generally needs to have excellent computer programming skills. In my experience, many physics students over-estimate their programming abilities. While they may be able to code to get results for their experiments, they aren't able to code well in general. The average physics student usually has niche coding knowledge, especially compared to the average computer scientist or computer engineering student (or just someone who has programmed since a very young age).

So, this isn't to say that a transition to industry is not possible after an astrophysics PhD, it's just that it's an uphill battle regardless if one is applying for physics jobs or not. Like I said before, I don't study astrophysics, but I can empathize because my field of physics is equally underrepresented outside of academia.
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So does someone know when people that applied for the November 18 deadline can expect to hear back from the departments / the university?
Original post by Ghost6
So does someone know when people that applied for the November 18 deadline can expect to hear back from the departments / the university?


It depends on the department but I was told that an application submitted by the November deadline will receive an answer around the end of January.
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To all those who replied to my question on academic credentials, thank you! I toyed with the idea of hiding my PG Diploma, but I'm not comfortable doing that. So I am going to get a strong letter of reference from a professor from my PG institute to offset the bad grades; I am also hoping my work experience will boost my application.

Fingers crossed!
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hi guys,

i want to know if i have any chance to get an offer for this course with management degree.

thx

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