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Original post by eggshell

It's interesting that you say that about about the research project, do you not do a third-year research project at all then, or is it strictly theoretical work only? I ask because everyone I know is doing some kind of applied work for their project (coincidentally, mine's in medical imaging). My biggest worry about choosing courses is that there's too much choice and they all seem so interesting :biggrin:


Oh we do have a third-year research project! But I think it's rather theoretical than it is at other unis. During our undergrad programme we have to participate in 1 team project (theory only), 1 software-eng. lab (which was about 30k lines of source code but also about 200 pages written work) and 1 "final BSc project" (you can choose whether you would like to focus on programming or theoretical background). At the moment, I'm working on my final project and I chose the more theoretical version; so I will probably end up with about 10k lines of code and about 100 pages plain text.

Anyways, I better stop rambling about comp sci UG degrees since this is a PG-applicants thread :biggrin:

So back to topic: Still waiting for an interview :s-smilie:
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Original post by PollyAbroad
Oh we do have a third-year research project! But I think it's rather theoretical than it is at other unis. During our undergrad programme we have to participate in 1 team project (theory only), 1 software-eng. lab (which was about 30k lines of source code but also about 200 pages written work) and 1 "final BSc project" (you can choose whether you would like to focus on programming or theoretical background). At the moment, I'm working on my final project and I chose the more theoretical version; so I will probably end up with about 10k lines of code and about 100 pages plain text.


I wish we did more theory. That's one of my reasons for wanting to go to Oxford :biggrin: Aside from the theoretical side, we do something similar in that we have a team SE project (design-wise, not implementation) and a final year BSc project when you can either choose from a list of projects the supervisors publish or work your own out. Supervisors have also been known to cherry-pick some students to work with them as well, but that's only if you're really lucky.

Original post by PollyAbroad

Anyways, I better stop rambling about comp sci UG degrees since this is a PG-applicants thread :biggrin:

So back to topic: Still waiting for an interview :s-smilie:

Agreed :wink: I hope I get an interview, I actually can't wait for it.
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Original post by thatfineframe
I'm interested! My extra-curriculars are quite relevant to my subject - I can't say exactly what they all are because I might as well just give my full name, but they are in closely analogous areas. So I'm curious as to how other people are handling/have approached the extra-curriculars issue. :smile: I know the usual thing is to say they make no difference, but surely they can, a bit, if they are close enough?

Anyway, I put mine on my CV and summed up the most relevant ones briefly in my SoP (there was a clear link, to show how what I do benefits my academic work). My tutors don't really know much about them, though, only in the most general sense.


Haha ok then. There are a couple of things, but most relevant was knowledge around my subject simultaneously showing serious dedication and enthusiasm. I am applying for Assyriology which is specifically a combination of Archaeology and Languages, but I have not officially studied any languages at uni (slight misunderstanding: I do Ancient History & Archaeology but turns out I can't actually take modules in Classics).

However, I have audited Latin and Ancient Greek. Currently (although mildly unrelated) Old Norse, and in Epiphany term an MA module in Akkadian. I am also (officially!) doing Syriac at the moment, and in the past I did an evening course in Hieroglyphics. That is 6 ancient languages in total I can claim to have a fair knowledge of (of which 3 very good) (Latin, Greek and Syriac - all languages used in Near Eastern archaeology), on top of my degree.

Besides, I have also done an evening course in Arabic, I am fluent in Dutch and English, and I can read German, French, some Italian, Swedish (and Norwegian) and make a pretty good attempt at related languages (Danish, Icelandic, Spanish, some Turkish). That's another 6 languages-and-a-bit. My main aim with the course is to be able to compare documentary sources across cultures and languages (so archaeologically I am interested in site context, epigraphy...), meaning that indicating that I can handle the linguistic component as well as the literature to do the (very obscure) research (my supervisor was very big on making sure they understand I can read German, which is an important language for Assyriologists).

Personally I thought it was very impressive to add that I have already secured employment teaching archaeology at a field school next summer (1 week after I graduate to be precise) but my supervisor didn't comment on that. I am going to guess because that's something archaeologists should aim to do in general (even if it is rare to succeed), rather than go and learn 6 languages in 3 years on top of your UG course (at a top 3 department). It's the distinction between having done the pile of generic internships everyone has to have on their CV nowadays and actually showing a continuous line of interest - I think.

Anyway the aforementioned supervisor only heard about my application after I'd applied - so it is not as if he advised me on what to write. This was just his feedback.

Edit: I forgot to add - my departmental adviser told me I am stupid for doing so many extra things and should focus on getting better marks.
I disagreed, and took up Old Norse...
But he may have a point.
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Extracurriculars are a waste of space when listed by the applicant on his/her CV. If you really have done something you think will boost your application, have one of your referees write about it in his letter of recommendation. Otherwise anyone can write on their CV they have been traveling the world building mud huts and that they have started 15 undergraduate societies, so those tend not to taken too seriously.
Original post by Zenobia
It's the distinction between having done the pile of generic internships everyone has to have on their CV nowadays and actually showing a continuous line of interest - I think.


I hope that's what mine show, too - it's hard to be sure, of course. Yours sound most impressive, and very closely related to your interests! :smile:

Original post by Ghost6
Extracurriculars are a waste of space when listed by the applicant on his/her CV. If you really have done something you think will boost your application, have one of your referees write about it in his letter of recommendation. Otherwise anyone can write on their CV they have been traveling the world building mud huts and that they have started 15 undergraduate societies, so those tend not to taken too seriously.


I wasn't thinking of those sorts of things! :smile: I'm applying for English, and mine (well, the ones that got a mention) are all very closely related to literature, criticism, and writing. I'm not saying they'll necessarily help, they may well not, but they're not just random stuff I put down for the sake of it.

Possibly it's not a good thing that I seem to be confessing a lack of philanthropic activities to the internet at large. :wink: I have actually done some charitable stuff, but once again it was all writing-linked - no mud huts - and none of that was part of my focus in the CV. My "extra-curriculars" mostly came under publications, actually, though there are some things beyond that.
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Original post by thatfineframe

Original post by thatfineframe
I wasn't thinking of those sorts of things! :smile: I'm applying for English, and mine (well, the ones that got a mention) are all very closely related to literature, criticism, and writing. I'm not saying they'll necessarily help, they may well not, but they're not just random stuff I put down for the sake of it.

Possibly it's not a good thing that I seem to be confessing a lack of philanthropic activities to the internet at large. :wink: I have actually done some charitable stuff, but once again it was all writing-linked - no mud huts - and none of that was part of my focus in the CV. My "extra-curriculars" mostly came under publications, actually, though there are some things beyond that.


Although they may not help academically, doing things related to literature, criticism and writing will all help to show to the admissions board how dedicated, committed, persistent (and so on) you are and they will almost certainly be a feather in your cap. I'm in a very similar boat (except I do CS) - I've done quite a few extra-curricular things that aren't strictly speaking "academic"; however someone on the admissions board in the CS dept told me in person that having those extra-curricular activities will help greatly improve your chances.
Original post by Psypher
Hello, I'm struggling with which essay I should submit for my English application (1900-present Mst) and I'd really appreciate some advice.

I'm trying to decide between two essays. My statement of purpose is going to emphasise my interest in the evolution of narrative in the 20th century onwards with a focus on postmodern literary theory.

Thanks in advance for any help.


Hello, I'm obviously not an authoritive voice on this, but my tutor said that one of the most important aspect of the essay is that they can see how you're engaging with the period of study. In that case, I think the Keats would be less impressive to them (although the score is very impressive obviously! :smile: )

Hope that helps
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Okay, I'm a little jittery about my IR application after reading about how terribly competitive it is. I'm thinking of also applying for a second course in Comparative Politics, preferably Comparative Government. I understand that I'd have to submit another application for it. How about the writing samples? Can I use the same writing samples for both my applications or do I need to submit different ones?
Reply 328
Hello everyone, has anyone gotten an interview notice as of yet? I've applied to the MSc in Social Science of the Internet, and have a friend there now who got his interview notice roughly the second week of December. So I'm not fretting too much over it yet (plus my current grad degree has me so busy I don't have the energy to stress over my application, which I suppose is a good thing, haha). Was basically just wondering anyway tho if any other grad applicants to this or any other program had heard word on their interview?
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Also applying to the same Master as you did JNTimms. Although one of my references has not submitted it yet and know waiting for the next deadline... Interviews are quite soon, aren't they?
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Original post by Ms Kooky
Hello everyone! Another English applicant here - most other TSR people here seem to be going for 1550-1700 , but I'm actually applying for the next strand along, the 1660-1830 MSt. :wavey:

The application is slowly coming together - a little too slowly for my liking, but there's time yet! I'm wrestling with the statement of purpose at the moment. I was wondering if anyone could offer me some advice on that front, actually...

I suppose what I'm really struggling with is this: how 'academic' should the statement be? I've picked up that it's meant to be more like a research proposal than anything else, but should you be quoting critics, essays, etc? (So, for example: "I'm particularly interested in what John Doe calls 'the xyz element' in his essay XYZ".) Or is that not necessary (/overly pretentious)? I just can't seem to get a handle on this thing! :confused:


Try to sound really excited about your subject / area of interest; the best way you can do this is talking enthusiastically about a few key theories or elements. Personally I prefer to ask a few questions "out loud" about the subject, e.g. "Especially dr x has been able to continuously grab my attention with her theories on y; how do y and z relate? Is y perhaps connected to author p's solution to problem q? etc. etc.

This shows that you are knowledgeable about your field of interest (try to pick a few interesting details that not every graduate or soon-to-be-graduate would know about), and that you are really looking forward to find things out! Personally, I wouldn't really quote or go in super-depth or whatever, just make clear that you are passionate and prepared, basically.

Keep in mind that your CV/referees already show your academic potential. As such I prefer to let them speak for itself and use the SOP for the above goals.

Good luck!
Original post by Ms Kooky
Hello everyone! Another English applicant here - most other TSR people here seem to be going for 1550-1700 , but I'm actually applying for the next strand along, the 1660-1830 MSt. :wavey:

The application is slowly coming together - a little too slowly for my liking, but there's time yet! I'm wrestling with the statement of purpose at the moment. I was wondering if anyone could offer me some advice on that front, actually...

I suppose what I'm really struggling with is this: how 'academic' should the statement be? I've picked up that it's meant to be more like a research proposal than anything else, but should you be quoting critics, essays, etc? (So, for example: "I'm particularly interested in what John Doe calls 'the xyz element' in his essay XYZ".) Or is that not necessary (/overly pretentious)? I just can't seem to get a handle on this thing! :confused:


Hello! :smile: Hurrah for all the English applicants - 1660-1830 seems like such a fun strand. I'm an early modernist but in the end I'd like to skip merrily between eras (argh, periodisation, why, &c.!).

I had one or two very brief quotations in mine, but otherwise it wasn't academic in the same way as an essay. I mentioned a couple of schools of critical thought that I (presently, and am well aware it will probably change!) envisage using. I have absolutely no idea if I made it detailed/academic-sounding enough, though. :confused:

Are you thinking of switching college, or staying with your undergraduate one? I've applied to go back to where I was, but some people seem to find it exciting to move...
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Don't worry about the academics in your college. Grads are taught in their departments, so it's not important - although it might affect what is the college library.
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Original post by Ms Kooky
Thanks, that's helpful, and it's good to see other people are finding it confusing as well! I think I'm just going to refer to a couple of critics whose ideas I find very interesting, and then go on to talk a bit more generally about what I'd like to explore myself... I'm sure the people reading it at Oxford will know roughly what I'm talking about anyway, so I guess there's no need to go overboard with explaining myself?


I applied successfully last year with a statement of purpose which named, as far as I can recall, no critics, so it can't be a requirement to have really detailed 'here is the context of my research' sentences. But whether the lack of that sort of thing was a plus, a neutral feature or a negative which they passed over because of good things elsewhere in my application, I've no idea.
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Original post by Ms Kooky
Hah, I struggled with this a bit as well! And I'm still probably going to ponder over it until I click 'send', but I think I've decided to head back to my old college. Mainly because, although my old tutors don't really specialise in what I want to do, I get on well with them, and I know they'll be supportive of me and give good general advice. Also, this sounds a bit boring, but having had the undergrad experience at Oxford I'm not really very sentimental about colleges anymore: I just want somewhere with good grad accommodation and some chances for funding! :biggrin:


Out of curiosity: where would you say they have good postgrad accommodation?
Hello...

I had applied for the D.Phil in Systems Approach to Biomedical Science for entry in 2012. I have an interview with the Department on the 7th/8th of Dec. :eek:

Is there anyone here who's done with their interview/ has applied for the same course? :smile:
Original post by yetanotheroxbridge
Hi all,

I've just found out that I've been invited to interview for an MSc in learning and teaching at Oxford. It's a part time MSc for people who are already teachers.

I'm just wondering if anyone has been through the interview process for this MSc or has been interviewed for any higher degree in education from either Oxford or Cambridge universities?

I would really like to know what to expect from the interview process and what's involved. If anyone can offer any advice I'd be very grateful.

My interview is on Tuesday 29th Nov by the way, so prompt replies would be very welcome! At this stage I've no idea of what to expect or how to prepare.

Good luck to anyone else applying for next year x


How did your interview go?!
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Original post by QHF
I applied successfully last year with a statement of purpose which named, as far as I can recall, no critics, so it can't be a requirement to have really detailed 'here is the context of my research' sentences. But whether the lack of that sort of thing was a plus, a neutral feature or a negative which they passed over because of good things elsewhere in my application, I've no idea.


Haha, I love how even the successful people still aren't sure what's good and what's bad! I reckon you were right - it's probably fine not to go into too much detail, because a) I'm sure they've heard it all before and know what applicants are building their ideas from, and b) it's not really meant to be an essay... :s-smilie: Can I ask: was your SOP mostly based around explaining the sort of stuff you'd like to do for your MSt dissertation?

Original post by Zenobia
Out of curiosity: where would you say they have good postgrad accommodation?


Well, 'good' can just mean 'available' (!)... some colleges just don't have enough, I believe! Usually colleges with bigger MCRs tend to have more dedicated space for grads. Ones I've heard have good accommodation... let's see, off the top of my head: Merton, Magdalen (nice but expensive), Lincoln, Hertford, St Peter's... St Anne's is also meant to be good, but quite far out? I've heard that the grad rooms at LMH and Somerville are less than good, but that could just be rumour, I've nothing to support that!

I think more colleges are price-banded for grads though, so whereas undergrad accommodation is often a case of luck (balloting for rooms), grad accommodation can be more 'get what you pay for' - you can debate whether that's a good or a bad thing, I guess.
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Original post by Ms Kooky
I've heard that the grad rooms at LMH and Somerville are less than good, but that could just be rumour, I've nothing to support that!


LMH's grad flats are a real mixed bag. Some of them are lovely, but there are other flats that are pretty ordinary. The bigger problem is that they don't have enough grad accommodation to go around. I think they have enough to at least offer rooms to anyone putting it as a first preference, but if you get sent there you could get unlucky.
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Original post by Ms Kooky
Can I ask: was your SOP mostly based around explaining the sort of stuff you'd like to do for your MSt dissertation?

Well, the idea I had was to produce a clear narrative about what I'd done beforehand, what I wanted to do during the MSt (which was the bulk of it) and what I might want to do afterwards. With some dressing about why particular elements of what I wanted to do fitted specific bits of the course and other particular resources around the place.

That probably makes it sound very elegant, which it wasn't. It was a mess, and very bluntly put too.

I suppose there's probably no one right way to write it, but I'm sure focusing primarily on your MSt dissertation is not a bad approach.

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