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    (Original post by r3035)
    I am absolutely certain people on this forum only go to a university based on how other people will judge you for it.
    Well that's part of the point. Employers are more likely to pick out candidates that went to universities they know to be good. For a lot of people university is simply a means to an end


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Well that's part of the point. Employers are more likely to pick out candidates that went to universities they know to be good. For a lot of people university is simply a means to an end


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    Nope. Employers are more likely to pick good candidates no matter which university they went to. They care MUCH more about you and what you can offer them, than your university "brand" name.


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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Nope. Employers are more likely to pick good candidates no matter which university they went to. They care MUCH more about you and what you can offer them, than your university "brand" name.


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    Given that graduate roles are so over applied for often having particular things will make your application more likely to considered. Seeing a name like Durham, for example, on application will be a good first impression.

    Also the industry your applying for is relevant. If you're applying for a training contract (legal role) or a graduate role at an investment bank the simple fact is you're not going to even be considered unless you've been to a good university


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    Will interject that there should be some kind of table for grammar vs comprehensive too. I go to imperial and there's extremely few comprehensive students
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    If you're applying for a training contract (legal role) or a graduate role at an investment bank the simple fact is you're not going to even be considered unless you've been to a good university
    In the vast majority of cases for most employers this is simply wrong.

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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    In the vast majority of cases for most employers this is simply wrong.

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    Yes, of course most employers won't reject you simply based on the university you went to. It's funny how you cut my other paragraph, the one which applies to other roles


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Yes, of course most employers won't reject you simply based on the university you went to. It's funny how you cut my other paragraph, the one which applies to other roles
    Ok so I'll deal with your first para:
    "Given that graduate roles are so over applied for often having particular things will make your application more likely to considered. Seeing a name like Durham, for example, on application will be a good first impression."

    Again, no. Most employers for most roles do not care which university you went to.

    Are you a graduate currently in employment? Or, like me, an actual employer?
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Ok so I'll deal with your first para:
    "Given that graduate roles are so over applied for often having particular things will make your application more likely to considered. Seeing a name like Durham, for example, on application will be a good first impression."

    Again, no. Most employers for most roles do not care which university you went to.

    Are you a graduate currently in employment? Or, like me, an actual employer?
    I'll rephrase, big companies that pay well care where you went to university.

    But like I said first impressions count. If you're reading two CVs and they're from opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of university the one from the top uni is starting ahead
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    I'll rephrase, big companies that pay well care where you went to university.

    But like I said first impressions count. If you're reading two CVs and they're from opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of university the one from the top uni is starting ahead
    Again, no. In fact "big companies that pay well" are increasingly making their grad schemes blind to the applicant's university to prevent any unconscious bias by interviewers.


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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Again, no. In fact "big companies that pay well" are increasingly making their grad schemes blind to the applicant's university to prevent any unconscious bias by interviewers.


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    1. I've heard about that from a handful of companies, I'd hardly say it seems to be commonplace.
    2. That's at interview stage, you still need to get past the initial application phase which will say which university you went to


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    1. I've heard about that from a handful of companies, I'd hardly say it seems to be commonplace.
    2. That's at interview stage, you still need to get past the initial application phase which will say which university you went to


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    It's increasingly common and demonstrates best practice so other companies are following suit. And it happens at the application stage, before interview.

    It's recommended by bodies such as the CBI.

    And even if it's not a formal part of the process, trust me that the last thing i look at on a CV is someone's prior university. It's really not that important. As i said, employers are looking for good employees not "good" universities.

    A lazy, and probably inexperienced, hiring manager might use the university as a proxy for shortlisting "good" people, but they won't last long in that role if they keep doing it.

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    If you are white, male, straight and don't go to a private school you are the most discriminated against group in the country.
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    It's increasingly common and demonstrates best practice so other companies are following suit. And it happens at the application stage, before interview.

    It's recommended by bodies such as the CBI.

    And even if it's not a formal part of the process, trust me that the last thing i look at on a CV is someone's prior university. It's really not that important. As i said, employers are looking for good employees not "good" universities.

    A lazy, and probably inexperienced, hiring manager might use the university as a proxy for shortlisting "good" people, but they won't last long in that role if they keep doing it.

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    ^This. 100%

    The best universities can produce good potential employees in that they have developed and honed skills in analysis, argument, assimilation of large amounts of material and general high-level cognitive abilities. But that in itself is very much not enough - 'soft skills' like emotional intelligence, drive, discipline, awareness of the world...these things can be woefully lacking in graduates from the very best universities, and exist in spades from a candidate from a much 'weaker' university. That a candidate has gone to a 'good' university can sort of act as a 'marker' that some of the things an employer looks for might well be there, but it doesn't mean that everything is there.
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    It's increasingly common and demonstrates best practice so other companies are following suit. And it happens at the application stage, before interview.
    Name some, I've never heard of a big company not asking which university you went to at the application phase.

    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    And even if it's not a formal part of the process, trust me that the last thing i look at on a CV is someone's prior university. It's really not that important. As i said, employers are looking for good employees not "good" universities.
    One part, for most employers, of a good candidate is strong academics which is where their university factors in.

    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    A lazy, and probably inexperienced, hiring manager might use the university as a proxy for shortlisting "good" people, but they won't last long in that role if they keep doing it.
    Must be a coincidence then that virtually everyone in my office went to Russell Group universities. Although, I know it isn't. Law firms look at the university you went to and I don't think they have particularly high turnover in HR staff. Banks are the same. The big four are the same. Technology is renowned for caring about university


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    (Original post by Reality Check)
    ^This. 100%

    The best universities can produce good potential employees in that they have developed and honed skills in analysis, argument, assimilation of large amounts of material and general high-level cognitive abilities. But that in itself is very much not enough - 'soft skills' like emotional intelligence, drive, discipline, awareness of the world...these things can be woefully lacking in graduates from the very best universities, and exist in spades from a candidate from a much 'weaker' university. That a candidate has gone to a 'good' university can sort of act as a 'marker' that some of the things an employer looks for might well be there, but it doesn't mean that everything is there.
    Indeed, and that's why universities like Bath, Sussex and Lboro do so well for grad prospects.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Name some, I've never heard of a big company not asking which university you went to at the application phase.
    They might ask it - doesn't mean they use it as a filter.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Law firms look at the university you went to
    This isn't strictly true. Some of the best MC firms like Clifford Chance introduced 'CV blind' applications way back in 2013, with Mayer Brown, McFarlanes following. This is precisely to avoid the preconceptions which come with an application that has 'Charterhouse/Eton/Harrow/Rugby; Oxford/Cambridge' on it.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Must be a coincidence then that virtually everyone in my office went to Russell Group universities. Although, I know it isn't. Law firms look at the university you went to and I don't think they have particularly high turnover in HR staff. Banks are the same. The big four are the same. Technology is renowned for caring about university
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    Also...
    1) Not everyone wants to be a lawyer
    2) correlation =/= causation
    3) Clifford Chance

    (Original post by Reality Check)
    This isn't strictly true. Some of the best MC firms like Clifford Chance introduced 'CV blind' applications way back in 2013, with Mayer Brown, McFarlanes following. This is precisely to avoid the preconceptions which come with an application that has 'Charterhouse/Eton/Harrow/Rugby; Oxford/Cambridge' on it.
    Ah, you beat me to it

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    (Original post by richpanda)
    If you are white, male, straight and don't go to a private school you are the most discriminated against group in the country.
    When did white men become so desperate in victimising themselves?
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    (Original post by Reality Check)
    This isn't strictly true. Some of the best MC firms like Clifford Chance introduced 'CV blind' applications way back in 2013, with Mayer Brown, McFarlanes following. This is precisely to avoid the preconceptions which come with an application that has 'Charterhouse/Eton/Harrow/Rugby; Oxford/Cambridge' on it.
    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    They might ask it - doesn't mean they use it as a filter.

    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Also...
    1) Not everyone wants to be a lawyer
    2) correlation =/= causation
    3) Clifford Chance



    Ah, you beat me to it

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    You said that a lot of big companies have 'university blind' application systems. Whether they officially use it as a filter or not I don't know of a single company that wouldn't ask where you went to uni.

    I thought you'd mention CC's new policy. The CV blind system at CC is for final stage interviews, that's true of the other firms you mentioned too. Of course not everyone at big firms went to RG but I don't know of anyone who went to a university that isn't very well thought of. Obviously I don't know every trainee at every big firm but I know the trainees in my cohort and I have friends who went to work for other big firms. One of the was almost in shock when he met a trainee who went to Sussex.

    No, not everyone wants to be a lawyer hence why I mentioned banking and technology as well.


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