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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    I agree somewhat.

    However, you are ignoring the existence of conservative (or anti-Islamic) atheists; just compare Richard Dawkins to the pope, Dawkins is far more islamophobic.

    Science can be conservative. For example, there was an article in the New Scientist that showed that there was a correlation between seeing humans as just another type of animal evolved through evolution, and disregard for human rights.

    Also, while the article hasn't convinced me, I do believe that "generation z" is much more conservative than other generations were when they were the same age, when it comes to many issues, such as drug use, war, islam, international cooperation, and perhaps is less open to trans-rights than the 'millenials'.

    Look across the channel to France, where the proto-fascist Front National has the strongest support from the youth out of any age group (according to surveys). There is similarly high levels of support for far-right parties all across Europe amongst the youth, not necessarily higher than other generations, but higher than the previous generations would have been at that age.

    My point is that while over 50s generally vote more right-wing, when they were young themselves, they voted a lot more left-wing than the current generation of youths are, suggesting that the current generation is indeed more right-wing. There was an interesting survey by Pew research institute which showed this for white youths in the US (although the generation was more liberal overall, it was because of minorities), let me see if I can find it.
    Dawkins is not conservative.He is very much a liberal.He just sees Islam for the illiberal ideology that it is and so he opposes it.Just because sexism or homophobia or anti-Semitism is ingrained within a religion does not mean the religion should get a free pass.Islam is all those things and should be opposed completely. Islamophobe is just a word made up to stifle criticism of Islam.There is already a perfectly good way to describe hatred against Muslims which is anti-missile bigotry.FYI the pope is not nearly as liberal as people think he is.
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    (Original post by Ladbants)
    One doesn't need to attend weekly church services in order to be a Christian. Over 40% of the country still identifies as Christian.
    So a minority, and even within that 40%, most are "cultural Christians" at most (which even I might identify myself with to some degree); they do not accept Christian doctrine on sexuality and cosmology
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Huh? Conservatives are the ones who have lost and aren't coming to grips with it?
    Yes. Precisely. The conservatives got absolutely steamrolled in the gay marriage debate. Every evolution and progression in our society, which has come in the teeth of violent opposition from conservatives, has proceeded and they've never succeeded in turning back the clock even one second.

    So who elected Trump?
    A minority of people who voted; he didn't even get a majority. In winning, Trump got less votes than Romney did losing in 2012.

    Why did we leave the EU?
    You want to claim that everyone who voted Leave was expressing their support for conservatism? Okayyyy. :lol:

    Why are the conservatives with Thatcher-wannabe leading the UK again with huge poll leads above Corbyn?
    If you think May is a Thatcher wannabe then you really are clueless about her. May is extremely emphatic that government intervention in the market is a force for good, and that income inequality must be dealt with by way of such interventions. Furthermore, the fact that socialised healthcare and gay marriage are accepted without question by a conservative Prime Minister shows that the left-wing is winning.

    The fact that she leads the incompetent idiot Corbyn is neither here nor there; Theresa May accepts things that 50 years ago even the Labour Party would view as too left-wing and radical. The left is clearly winning.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    Dawkins is not conservative.He is very much a liberal.He just sees Islam for the illiberal ideology that it is and so he opposes it.Just because sexism or homophobia or anti-Semitism is ingrained within a religion does not mean the religion should get a free pass.Islam is all those things and should be opposed completely. Islamophobe is just a word made up to stifle criticism of Islam.There is already a perfectly good way to describe hatred against Muslims which is anti-missile bigotry.FYI the pope is not nearly as liberal as people think he is.
    Well said, dude. In fact, it's unclear why the alt-rightists dislike Islam so much; surely they should get along quite well given their shared hatred of gay rights, gender equality and suchlike. They both share a reactionary worldview that sexual freedom, homosexual rights, allowing women into the workforce, are destructive forces in society. Steve Bannon actually has quite a lot in common with Islamic conservatives.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Well said, dude. In fact, it's unclear why the alt-rightists dislike Islam so much; surely they should get along quite well given their shared hatred of gay rights, gender equality and suchlike. They both share a reactionary worldview that sexual freedom, homosexual rights, allowing women into the workforce, are destructive forces in society. Steve Bannon actually has quite a lot in common with Islamic conservatives.


    You're right.But it's two sides of the same coin I think.This country was founded on Christian values.And even though it's no longer that Christian,the right still likes to promote "traditional values". So it's christian values as opposed to Islamic values but they still share the same dislike of homosexuals and have a very particular view of women.
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    Sorry for the slight necro.I'm 16 and will be 17 in a few days. I know and have known my political stance since I was about 13. I am right wing politically and economically, support Donald Trump and Ukip and was very pleased when Brexit was announced. One thing that pushed me to this line of thinking was the relentless force feeding of feminist and SJW ideals.Just my thoughts.
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    (Original post by Laurus)
    Sorry for the slight necro.I'm 16 and will be 17 in a few days. I know and have known my political stance since I was about 13. I am right wing politically and economically, support Donald Trump and Ukip and was very pleased when Brexit was announced. One thing that pushed me to this line of thinking was the relentless force feeding of feminist and SJW ideals.Just my thoughts.
    Fantastic, we're proud to have you aboard the Trump and UKIP train.
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    Unsurprising given: 1) Failure of cultural Marxism to deliver unequivocal human progress; 2) All the (conservative) immigrant kids
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    Unsurprising given: 1) Failure of cultural Marxism to deliver unequivocal human progress; 2) All the (conservative) immigrant kids
    3) Success of right wing conspiracy theories in propagating themselves.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    3) Success of right wing conspiracy theories facts in propagating themselves.
    Amended for accuracy :yy:

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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Not sure how much muslims are radicalised over the internet. But the internet certainly does radicalise whites.
    In exactly the same way as white people are except the content they look at is different. What a facile argument. Also white and muslim are not mutually exclusive so does a white Muslim get 1/2 radicalised or become a nationalist against themselves?

    I'll let people more versed in statistics press that point but I will say that it wouldn't surprise me, with the airheaded stuff that comes out of academia (which is predominantly left leaning) is it any surprise people want no part and veer to the other side?
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    I was actually being serious. Whites are much more radicalised online than muslims are (and you know what I mean, there is no need to nitpick over a tiny minority of white muslims...)

    I am not saying whites become more radical than muslims. I am saying that the internet affects them more. The average muslim starts off much more radical than the average white, and are generally radicalised by people they meet irl; whereas the white radicals are generally radicalised by the internet, by browsing e.g. Reddit or 4chan.
    Being facetious is my shield and my sword. I think it's a legit point in opposition to the statement whites get radicalised online but muslims don't.

    I actually agree with you, so nothing more to say.
 
 
 
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