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    Is free speech important?
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    No, the absence of solidarity in public opinion is indicative of a weak nation. Not all opinions are equal and those which have no value should not be given a voice.
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    (Original post by MachinesCradle)
    No, the absence of solidarity in public opinion is indicative of a weak nation. Not all opinions are equal and those which have no value should not be given a voice.
    According to whom? I assume you mean anybody that disagrees with you. The echo chamber is bad enough without having it legally mandated according to whoever is in power.
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    To some extent, but mainly no.

    Because of free speech, people are led to believe there are more than 2 genders.

    And society accepted it
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    According to whom? I assume you mean anybody that disagrees with you. The echo chamber is bad enough without having it legally mandated according to whoever is in power.
    According to the state mandated tripartite classification of knowledge, beauty and power to make progress.

    It is easiest to start with knowledge to persuade people of the importance of free speech restrictions. This category would forbid global warming denial, flat earthers, and human biological diversity (HBD) denial.
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    Free speech means that people can call you racist because of wanting to talk about immigration.

    Free speech means people can express their support for the IRA or Hezbollah.

    Free speech means people can make jokes on facebook about British soldiers being killed and say they deserve it.

    Free speech means people can say that infidels should be beheaded and Israel should be wiped off the map.
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    (Original post by MachinesCradle)
    According to the state mandated tripartite classification of knowledge, beauty and power to make progress.

    It is easiest to start with knowledge to persuade people of the importance of free speech restrictions. This category would forbid global warming denial, flat earthers, and human biological diversity (HBD) denial.
    Then those of certain politics, or religions, and next thing you know minitue is being formed
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    (Original post by Stoke123)
    To some extent, but mainly no.

    Because of free speech, people are led to believe there are more than 2 genders.

    And society accepted it
    No, I believe that is due to poor education.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Then those of certain politics, or religions, and next thing you know minitue is being formed
    Of course because diversity is volatility.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)
    Free speech means that people can call you racist because of wanting to talk about immigration.

    Free speech means people can express their support for the IRA or Hezbollah.

    Free speech means people can make jokes on facebook about British soldiers being killed and say they deserve it.

    Free speech means people can say that infidels should be beheaded and Israel should be wiped off the map.
    Well yeh, obviously.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Humans are irrational creatures; sometimes volatility is beneficial. An extreme example, but you get my gist: without the migrant crisis and terrorism, the SJWs might never have been dethroned.

    Ideas should evolve, in a controlled manner. Let people say what they like, just make sure that when a dangerous movement becomes too popular, infiltrate it and discredit it.
    Volatility is useful in nature as the driving force of evolution however human society enables social engineering which could achieve the ideal results while mitigating unnecessary risks.
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    (Original post by Onde)
    Yes. But it must not impinge on the rights and freedoms of others, for example the right to live in security.

    As John Stuart Mill said, a person should not be permitted to shout "Fire" in a crowded theatre unless there actually is a fire.
    What if he just imagines that there is a fire?
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    It is one of the most important aspects of our society; without it, good ideas may be suppressed and bad ideas may not be discredited. It is only by allowing everything to be debated without restrictions that the best way to proceed has the maximum chance of being identified, and lunacy be exposed for what it really is. Being 'offended' by something should have no impact on free speech whatsoever, as freedoms shouldn't be limited in order to stop people's feelings from being hurt. If your feelings are hurt, say why! Discuss, criticise, praise, it's the best way to solve problems in society!
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    True. But what about the backlash to suppression of freedom of speech? That could have the opposite effect to desired.
    Cancer cells will resist the doctor's treatment but the procedure must be done. Without trying to sound histrionic we may be very close to an extinction event and we don't have time for incorrect thought and speech.
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    Of course. But, it should be so for everyone, not just people who are in agreement with you.
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    (Original post by לזייןהאיסלאם)
    Is free speech important?
    Free speech first and always
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    (Original post by Onde)
    As John Stuart Mill said, a person should not be permitted to shout "Fire" in a crowded theatre unless there actually is a fire.
    Oliver Wendell Holmes, you mean?
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    We don't have time to correct for the backlashes either... people are fundamentally irrational, the people who understand how to use peoples' irrationality have a huge advantage, and those who press ahead attempting to ignore that irrationality will encounter stiff resistance.
    I agree and that's why plan B is a better option. It's best to send people with incorrect thoughts and behaviours into ghettos, sterilise them and take away political influence, and then flood the ghettos with drugs, prostitutes, etc. That way they are happy with their freedoms and over time society gets healthier avoiding extinction risks in the process.
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    (Original post by MachinesCradle)
    According to the state mandated tripartite classification of knowledge, beauty and power to make progress.

    It is easiest to start with knowledge to persuade people of the importance of free speech restrictions. This category would forbid global warming denial, flat earthers, and human biological diversity (HBD) denial.
    You can't see this going terribly wrong? I mean, I imagine Kim Jong Un believes in this tripartite too, his own version of it.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Isn't that what the CIA did with black people?
    No that's human biological diversity in action.
 
 
 
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