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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    What are the official policies regarding revoking a party's acceptance? I'm going to guess not having a certain number of members isn't grounds for that. I would also ask that Adam make an exception given that we don't have a proper subforum and thus it is more difficult to recruit.

    That combined with the Tory party's stated goal of our demise should be enough to permit us to continue our existence.
    I have no intention of revoking a party's creation unless activity hits the floor in the coming days and weeks
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    What are the official policies regarding revoking a party's acceptance? I'm going to guess not having a certain number of members isn't grounds for that. I would also ask that Adam make an exception given that we don't have a proper subforum and thus it is more difficult to recruit.

    That combined with the Tory party's stated goal of our demise should be enough to permit us to continue our existence.
    Well, usually a Party wouldn't be formed without 10 active members (not 4 or 5), and with the approval of the Speaker, and CT. Note that no new parties ever have a sub-forum prior to approval, so in terms of that, they are all in the same boat.

    I have absolutely no problem with the formation of you - my problem is that this has been handled badly, by the fact that one supposed member of yours is actually a member of the Tories, and I did not give permission for dual membership. Similarly, hazzer has declared he is not a member of yours, which was taken into account when approving the Party. Therefore, only 4 members should be taken into account when approving the Party.

    The final problem I have, is with the off-site forum - it makes ensuring that the integrity of all parties is more difficult, as I can't just check someone's profile to see if they're part of your Party. Had a sub-forum for you guys been sorted, and one of my members wasn't 'dual-membering' I wouldn't actually really be kicking up a fuss.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Well, usually a Party wouldn't be formed without 10 active members (not 4 or 5), and with the approval of the Speaker, and CT. Note that no new parties ever have a sub-forum prior to approval, so in terms of that, they are all in the same boat.

    I have absolutely no problem with the formation of you - my problem is that this has been handled badly, by the fact that one supposed member of yours is actually a member of the Tories, and I did not give permission for dual membership. Similarly, hazzer has declared he is not a member of yours, which was taken into account when approving the Party. Therefore, only 4 members should be taken into account when approving the Party.

    The final problem I have, is with the off-site forum - it makes ensuring that the integrity of all parties is more difficult, as I can't just check someone's profile to see if they're part of your Party. Had a sub-forum for you guys been sorted, and one of my members wasn't 'dual-membering' I wouldn't actually really be kicking up a fuss.
    Given that you started your inquiries before you were aware that you had a duel member problem, I think its probably because we will inevitably take votes from you. I don't blame you for looking after your interests, but you shouldn't avoid stating your intentions. I don't doubt that you have legitimate concerns, many are valid.

    We were approved, so now it is a question of the rules pertaining to revocation, not formation.

    Adam will have full access to the subforum. If someone joins our subforum, they will have a TSR account that you can check as well.
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    (Original post by Gladstone1885)
    Given that you started your inquiries before you were aware that you had a duel member problem, I think its probably because we will inevitably take votes from you. I don't blame you for looking after your interests, but you shouldn't avoid stating your intentions. I don't doubt that you have legitimate concerns, many are valid.

    We were approved, so now it is a question of the rules pertaining to revocation, not formation.

    Adam will have full access to the subforum. If someone joins our subforum, they will have a TSR account that you can check as well.
    Actually my enquiries this afternoon have all been because of the dual membership problem.

    Their TSR account will not be in any party UG (at least not a Libertarian one) and so that doesn't allow me to see if they're part of your Party though...

    And about the party being formed, the Party was formed on the basis of 6 members, not 4/5, and therefore any formation is illegitimate on this basis. Whether the Speaker wants to uphold the formation on the basis of only 4/5 being part of it then that's his choice of course. (4/5 dependant on whether you consider that heri2rs should not be counted due to him already being a member of a party and not having dual-membership permission)
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    adam9317

    Are you upholding the formation of the Party given that there are not 6 members as part of it, but 4 (excluding both heri2rs and hazzer), or 5 (excluding just hazzer)?
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    adam9317

    Are you upholding the formation of the Party given that there are not 6 members as part of it, but 4 (excluding both heri2rs and hazzer), or 5 (excluding just hazzer)?
    I am happy at present, and with the activity levels which I am witnessing within their sub are good; better than some current parties within TSR; I am happy for this to continue.

    But, be under no illusion if activity falls considerably, I will have no hesitation in cutting this party off, but if activity levels are maintained, there will be nothing to worry about!
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Is that right? If it is, then our freshly elected Speaker has been very dumb indeed since I believe the requirement of at least ten members is in the Constitution, is it not?
    As already stated, it's GD, hence why I asked about it during the election.

    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    adam9317


    Also, it's worth noting that removing Hazzer (who claims not to be a member), and heri2rs (who should be sanctioned and banned for dual membership without permission), the Party only seems to have 4 members according to the OP of their thread.
    You sound scared given how badly you're trying to stop this happening.
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    I am happy at present, and with the activity levels which I am witnessing within their sub are good; better than some current parties within TSR; I am happy for this to continue.

    But, be under no illusion if activity falls considerably, I will have no hesitation in cutting this party off, but if activity levels are maintained, there will be nothing to worry about!
    Ok, and what about the dual member who doesn't have permission to be? You've said that the Libertarian Party has formed, yet he has been allowed to be a member of it, without my permission. Why didn't you check that prior to forming it, or at least remove him as listed as a member? And why was Hazzer allowed to remain on the list if he wasn't - or did you not actually check whether he wanted to be in it?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    As already stated, it's GD, hence why I asked about it during the election.



    You sound scared given how badly you're trying to stop this happening.
    Well, not really, I just don't want it to happen in this way - i actually believe that something similar to the Nat Libs will happen, and we saw how that was...

    It's also more about the principle of the Speaker not actually having done his job properly...
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Ok, and what about the dual member who doesn't have permission to be? You've said that the Libertarian Party has formed, yet he has been allowed to be a member of it, without my permission. Why didn't you check that prior to forming it, or at least remove him as listed as a member? And why was Hazzer allowed to remain on the list if he wasn't - or did you not actually check whether he wanted to be in it?
    It is all being dealt with, and members if not allowed to be a dual member will have to choose their loyalty!
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    It is all being dealt with, and members if not allowed to be a dual member will have to choose their loyalty!
    That's missing the point - why didn't you check this in the first place?

    Otherwise, can I list 10 MHoCers, have the Party formed, and then wait for you to check that they actually want to be part of it?

    This is now moving from the formation of it, which I've moved on from, to the point that you've allowed a dual member to happen, who now has access to both the Conservatives AND the Libertarian forum - why do you have that right to allow that to happen?
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    That's missing the point - why didn't you check this in the first place?

    Otherwise, can I list 10 MHoCers, have the Party formed, and then wait for you to check that they actually want to be part of it?

    This is now moving from the formation of it, which I've moved on from, to the point that you've allowed a dual member to happen, who now has access to both the Conservatives AND the Libertarian forum - why do you have that right to allow that to happen?
    It is regrettable that this was allowed to happen, but this is being dealt with!
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    That's missing the point - why didn't you check this in the first place?

    Otherwise, can I list 10 MHoCers, have the Party formed, and then wait for you to check that they actually want to be part of it?

    This is now moving from the formation of it, which I've moved on from, to the point that you've allowed a dual member to happen, who now has access to both the Conservatives AND the Libertarian forum - why do you have that right to allow that to happen?
    Who is this member who has access to both? Adam?
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    (Original post by adam9317)
    It is regrettable that this was allowed to happen, but this is being dealt with!
    If it's regrettable, why did you allow it?

    And yes it's being dealt with, he's no longer part of the Conservatives (or at least won't be once he's removed from the UG, which oh wait, I now have to wait 36 hours for). How else is it being dealt with? YOU, have been the direct cause of a possible leak.

    I have nothing further really to add on it, except that yes, the way you've handled this is awful, way worse than any decision I've seen by any Speaker.
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    On a side note, now I've got that out of my system, good luck with the formation/starting of your Party, I genuinely look forward to seeing what Bills/ideas you bring to the House.
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    I predict a riot
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Who is this member who has access to both? Adam?
    No, heri2rs - although, granted, he is not yet an actual member of your forum from what I've seen. I would ask that you don't allow him onto your forum until Monday (when the CT remove him from our sub-forum), for obvious reasons, though that is ultimately up to you guys!
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    I predict a riot
    God that was a song and a half Though unfortunately any riots just lead to someone hiding behind the empty words of it's being dealt with in the hope people back off and give up...!
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    God that was a song and a half
    yeah. it were a brilliant song. I were angry that the Libertarian party can back to life.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamKl-su8PE
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    On a side note, now I've got that out of my system, good luck with the formation/starting of your Party, I genuinely look forward to seeing what Bills/ideas you bring to the House.
    Oh believe me, we have a lot in mind to bring to the table
 
 
 
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