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      Playing devil's advocate for a change: Would you say the same about Nazis? Or someone who believes in a certain (more liberal) interpretation of Mein Kampf?
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      (Original post by Mathemagicien)
      Playing devil's advocate for a change: Would you say the same about Nazis? Or someone who believes in a certain (more liberal) interpretation of Mein Kampf?
      Well, there were good Nazis. And I would prefer someone who completely twisted the words of Mein Kampf to mean something more liberal, than someone who followed it as it evidently is supposed to be followed. So not much different to Islam really.
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        (Original post by לזייןהאיסלאם)
        Well, there were good Nazis. And I would prefer someone who completely twisted the words of Mein Kampf to mean something more liberal, than someone who followed it as it evidently is supposed to be followed. So not much different to Islam really.
        Imagine if Mein Kampf was called the Book of Peace
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        There are good and bad people from every religion, race, etc. Muslims are still human beings at the end of the day and not all Muslims are very religious.

        Religions provide a set of guidelines
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          (Original post by Laughh3)
          Religions provide a set of guidelines
          And threatens you to execution or "eternal damnation" if you don't follow them...
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          "Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

          "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." - qur'an 8:12
          Your argument is so petty that you have to take verses out of context. You conveniently missed the first part of the verse- '[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels...' -this verse is referring to a time when God sent the angels to aid the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) during war. It is not referring to today.
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          (Original post by Mathemagicien)
          And threatens you to execution or "eternal damnation" if you don't follow them...
          If God made the whole universe and everything in it and then created a set of guidelines for His creation to follow, He ultimately has the last decision and can punish and reward as He sees fit.

          Rulers make laws, which, if breached are faced with penalties. God is the ultimate Ruler and He will punish as He wills if His laws are breached.
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          (Original post by Onde)
          Terrorism is wrong in any context. Also, Christ in the New Testament was able to create a religion that specifically told his followers not to engage in violence, which of course rules out wars, terrorism etc. There are many other religions and philosophies that have a similar attitude to violence. Muhammad had no excuse.
          Yes, terrorism is wrong in any context but the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was at war, not promoting terror.

          Did Christ create the religion or God?
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          (Original post by Laughh3)
          Yes, terrorism is wrong in any context but the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was at war, not promoting terror.

          Did Christ create the religion or God?
          ISIS are at war therefore their actions are justified... see how it works?
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          (Original post by Betelgeuse-)
          ISIS are at war therefore their actions are justified... see how it works?
          They are at war for the wrong reasons and only hiding under the pretence of being Muslims to make Islam look bad. They kill many innocent men, women and children, Muslim and non-Muslim alike. They have no respect for the laws of Islam- forcing people to convert and other atrocities they commit are not Islamic practices.

          Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet said: Go in Allah’s name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah’s Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well. (Sunan Abî Dawûd)
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          (Original post by Onde)
          I disagree. Being a creator of something or a ruler of something does not mean you are allowed to do whatever you wish. Each individual must act to do what they think is Good, as far as they are able.
          But who sets the standards of good and evil? If each was left to their own, with no guidance, the world would be full of chaos.
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          (Original post by Laughh3)
          They are at war for the wrong reasons and only hiding under the pretence of being Muslims
          Subjective - They would say you're hiding under the pretense of being muslim

          (Original post by Laughh3)
          to make Islam look bad. They kill many innocent men, women and children, Muslim and non-Muslim alike
          WRONG - They are not innocent according to their interpretation of Islam. Why is your interpretation of Islam correct and theirs wrong?

          (Original post by Laughh3)
          They have no respect for the laws of Islam- forcing people to convert and other atrocities they commit are not Islamic practices.

          Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet said: Go in Allah’s name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah’s Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well. (Sunan Abî Dawûd)
          Thats great but its exactly what ISIS do, quote a passage of the Quran to fill their narrative to justify why something is right or wrong. Do you see the problem?
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          (Original post by Mathemagicien)
          Imagine if Mein Kampf was called the Book of Peace
          I'm trying to. Really, I am.
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          (Original post by Laughh3)
          Your argument is so petty that you have to take verses out of context. You conveniently missed the first part of the verse- '[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels...' -this verse is referring to a time when God sent the angels to aid the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) during war. It is not referring to today.
          If it is merely referring to a single, historical event and is not intended as some kind of guide or lesson for future generations...what is it doing in the Quran?

          Anyway, even if it does just refer to a past battle, it's still not very peaceful, is it?

          Plus, it's cheating, bringing angels in on the side of the Muslims. It's like when your beating someone in a fair fight when all his mates jump in.
          Not cool bro.
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          (Original post by swervybang)
          Some are good, some are bad
          Would you like a skittle? Here's a bowl: 1 is poisonous, but the other 99 are fine. Stick your hand in and pick one, and remember: life is cheap. What's the odd murder or violent explosion in the face of the political objectives of the Democratic Party?
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          (Original post by Laughh3)
          Yes, terrorism is wrong in any context but the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was at war, not promoting terror.
          Allah's Apostle said,... "I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy) - Buhkari 4:52:220

          And there is sura 8:57 where Allah tells Muhammad to punish prisoners severely in order to send a message to other enemies who might follow.

          And there is the time when he had several hundred defenceless prisoners beheaded. That seems like an act of terror and barbaric cruelty. (There is another group that has been beheading prisoners recently, but I can't quite put my finger on it - I'm sure there's no connection though)
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          (Original post by QE2)
          If it is merely referring to a single, historical event and is not intended as some kind of guide or lesson for future generations...what is it doing in the Quran?

          Anyway, even if it does just refer to a past battle, it's still not very peaceful, is it?

          Plus, it's cheating, bringing angels in on the side of the Muslims. It's like when your beating someone in a fair fight when all his mates jump in.
          Not cool bro.
          It is not cheating to send angels to help when the opposer has 20 extra men and lots of weapons.

          And yes, there is good and bad in all kinds of people.
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          (Original post by Laughh3)
          They are at war for the wrong reasons and only hiding under the pretence of being Muslims to make Islam look bad.
          As they are Muslims themselves, why would they want to make Islam look bad? They claim that they are merely taking Islam back to basics and reject the centuries of modernisation and revisionism.

          They kill many innocent men, women and children, Muslim and non-Muslim alike.
          Under a strict literalist and retentionist interpretation, their victims are not "innocent". If they refuse to sumbit to Allah's laws (as they impose them) then they can be punished in accordance with the Quran and sunnah.

          They have no respect for the laws of Islam- forcing people to convert and other atrocities they commit are not Islamic practices.
          Muhammad forced people to convert. There are many ayat and hadith where it explicitly states that converting to Islam will save your life and property.

          Narrated Anas ibn Malik: The Prophet said: Go in Allah’s name, trusting in Allah, and adhering to the religion of Allah’s Apostle. Do not kill a decrepit old man, a young infant, or a child, or a woman; do not be dishonest about booty, but collect your spoils, do right and act well, for Allah loves those who do well. (Sunan Abî Dawûd)
          Not sure if this hadith shows what you were hoping.
          These are instructions given to his troops before a raiding party. Notice that it permits the killing of all adult males, by omission. Also worth bearing in mind that in Islam, any child who has had the first sign of pubic hair, menstruation or wet dream is considered an adult, so this hadith allows for the killing of boys as young as 10. It is also permitting the theft of the possessions of the village or caravan being attacked.
          Essentially, Muhammad was a desert pirate!
         
         
         
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