The Truth About MUSLIMS- EXPOSED!!

Yes, terrorism is wrong in any context but the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) was at war, not promoting terror.

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." - qur'an 8:12

Terrorism is wrong in any context. Also, Christ in the New Testament was able to create a religion that specifically told his followers not to engage in violence, which of course rules out wars, terrorism etc. There are many other religions and philosophies that have a similar attitude to violence. Muhammad had no excuse.

Verses such as this say that Allah will cast terror upon those who disbelief in this life and the next, and therefore, Muslims are expected to do the same. To say that the passage means "The disbelievers will be terrorised in this life and the next, but I only expect you to terrorise the unbelievers on Mondays" is deeply misguided.

"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." - qur'an 3:56

Passages such as these:
"And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." - qur'an 4:104

"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." - qur'an 9:5

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." - qur'an 9:29

Tell Muslims to go out of their way to attack peaceful non-Muslim communities, and is clearly meant to be a timeless commandment.

"And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" - qur'an 8:39

This verse does not mean "only" fight and kill them a little bit, "only" on Mondays, and "only" in Saudi Arabia.

In any case, fighting and killing peaceful populations is wrong in any context.

Many non-Muslims take this verse out of context. This verse came down when the Muslims were a minority fighting a majority of the disbelievers and hence the verse was revealed to make the Muslims steadfast.

We can see elsewhere in the Qur'aan, and very clearly, verses that command the Muslims to be good and just to the disbelievers such as:


Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly.

Allah only forbids you from those who fight you because of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion - [forbids] that you make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
Qur'aan 60:8-9

To be accurate, this verse merely "does not forbid" Muslims from dealing kindly and justly with those who do not fight them. So we can infer from this:
1. It is not compulsory for Muslims to treat disbelievers kindly and justly - even if they didn't fight against you. So they are permitted to be unkind and unjust to them if that is what they want to do.
2. Muslims are forbidden from dealing justly and kindly with those who refuse to submit to Islam.

Not sure if that is what you hoped to show when quoting that verse.

This is absolutely wrong because the verse commands Muslims to be just and kind and nowhere in the verse or elsewhere does God command the Muslims to be unjust to non-Muslims. Please provide evidence for your claim.

This is true, but Christians have no doctrine to justify the persecution or killing of others, unlike Muslims. Christian doctrine is "Turn the other cheek", "Love thy neighbour", "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone", whereas Islamic doctrine endorses total war against the unbelievers. The difference in emphasis is that with Christianity, god does all the persecuting and torturing in the afterlife, whereas with Islam, Muslims are expect to join in with the persecuting and torturing in this life. But this thread isn't about Christianity, it is about Islam - I only mentioned Christianity because it predated Islam by centuries and is commonly known while being superior - or at least, less bad, than Islam.

It is not what the vese says, but what it doesn't say. It is permission by omission.

"God does not forbid you to deal kindly and justly with those who have not fought against you about the religion or expelled you from your homes."

If you are not forbidden from doing something, it just means it is allowed, not that it is compulsory.
"I do not forbid you from eating that cake" means I can eat the cake if I want, but I don't have to eat it. I can not eat it if I want.

The following verse does forbid kindness. It says
"Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of religion"

Here it is compulsory to not treat kindly those who fought against Islam.

So:
1. If you didn't fight against Islam - you can be treated kindly or unkindly, it is up to the individual Muslim.
2. If you fought against Islam - you cannot be treated kindly.

Now can you see what these verses actually mean?

If Allah says it will torture and terrorise nonbelievers in the hereafter, therefore Muslims should do the same, it is unlikely that Allah only expects the torture and terrorising to have been committed on one occasion many centuries ago. The qur'an is clear that Muslims are expected to wage war until there is only worship for Allah.

It is not what the vese says, but what it doesn't say. It is permission by omission.

"God does not forbid you to deal kindly and justly with those who have not fought against you about the religion or expelled you from your homes."

If you are not forbidden from doing something, it just means it is allowed, not that it is compulsory.
"I do not forbid you from eating that cake" means I can eat the cake if I want, but I don't have to eat it. I can not eat it if I want.

The following verse does forbid kindness. It says
"Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of religion"

Here it is compulsory to not treat kindly those who fought against Islam.

So:
1. If you didn't fight against Islam - you can be treated kindly or unkindly, it is up to the individual Muslim.
2. If you fought against Islam - you cannot be treated kindly.

Now can you see what these verses actually mean?

You are right that it is left to the individual but this is the case with every human being- they are not forced to like or be kind to someone. This depends on the person one is dealing with. For example, if someone is not being nice to me, outside of war, I am free to be kind or unkind to them as I wish according to the circumstances.

One of the verses that advises Muslims to overlook is:

Qur'aan 5:2

God says:

And do not let the hatred of a people for having obstructed you from The Sacred Mosque lead you to transgress...

"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them." - qur'an 8:12

Some are good, some are bad

We live in the most secular time in history, but also the most peaceful in terms of the numbers being killed in wars and through homicide.

I think the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is a good standard of good and evil, and of course, each society has its own laws.

The modern age is certainly preferable to living in the 7th century where religious demagogues were encouraging their followers to kill and terrorise those who did not follow their ideology, until there was worship only for their particular god.

People should do things in line with their conscience, informed by reason, and not because some unobservable deity apparently wishes them to act a certain way.

So when you claimed that the Quran contained..
"very clearly, verses that command the Muslims to be good and just to the disbelievers"
...you were making it up? Or had you just accepted the party line and not really thought about what that verse actually meant? Don't worry, many would-be Muslim apologists make the same kind ofschoolboy error.
(Top Tip - don't assume that anything you read on the internet is true until you have cross-checked it against multiple, independent sources)

It is obvious that you are not very knowledgable about the Quran and that you take your information from the Internet.

You have to understand that in general the Quran commands the Muslims to be harsh with the disbelievers during war (but exempts women, children and worshippers) and to treat them well during the time of peace.

Hence Muslims are allowed to marry from the Christians and Jews while they keep their faith. This is well known to anyone who is familiar with the teachings of the Quran and the religion of Islam.