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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    Trump is the oldest man ever elected president. Not a "great feat"?
    He isn't exactly the poster boy for electing really old white guys to high office.
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    This so-called speaker is overrated
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    (Original post by Therec00)
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    I assume these are some 'alternative facts'?
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    (Original post by Therec00)
    The source for that seems somewhat dodgy, but the key point is that those bans weren't based on religion.
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    (Original post by Ladbants)
    No I don't think so.
    Pretty sure simply being elected POTUS would be considered by most a great feat, even before everybody, even your own party, is against you.
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    Can any of the SJWs give me an example of Trumps racism?
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Why is it bad to discriminate based on religion?

    Why is it worse to discriminate against religion, than to discriminate against nationality?
    I think they're both bad. But freedom of religion is protected by the constitution.

    Unless strict adherence to that only applies when looking out for the interests of the NRA?
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    So why did he feel "privileged" to introduce the Emir of Kuwait?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Wow. :eek4:

    Speaker Bercow has declared Trump to be too sexist and racist to be permitted to speak to Parliament.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-live-updates

    Take that and chew on it, Trump! :lol:

    This must be a first for a very long time - a Speaker of the British Parliament denying speaking rights to the American President, due to his unsuitable conduct.

    If it wasn't tragic, it would be funny.
    Ever hear of free speech? "I might not agree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it."
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So why did he feel "privileged" to introduce the Emir of Kuwait?
    Why not? Kuwait is probably the least bad of the Arab states. Why are you against him welcoming the Emir?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So why did he feel "privileged" to introduce the Emir of Kuwait?
    Who, Trump?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Why not? Kuwait is probably the least bad of the Arab states. Why are you against him welcoming the Emir?
    Really?


    Human Rights Watch has this to say regarding the practices of the government of Kuwait when it comes to human rights:

    'Kuwait’s government aggressively cracks down on free speech, using provisions in the constitution, the national security law, and other legislation to stifle political dissent, as well as passing new legislation criminalizing or increasing penalties for various forms and means of expression. In an effort to curb local terrorism, according to authorities, Kuwait became the first country to pass a law requiring that all Kuwaiti citizens and residents provide DNA samples, in violation of the right to privacy. The government has yet to address the citizenship concerns of minority groups such as the Bidun, who are stateless in Kuwait.'
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    Who, Trump?
    Bercow, in 2012
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Really?
    Did I say they are perfect? I said 'least bad'. Compare with some of the others and they look like a model country.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Did I say they are perfect? I said 'least bad'. Compare with some of the others and they look like a model country.
    I know the arabs are bad (and apparently these are people who we should be bringing into the country in large numbers) but which makes it look like a model country? How about Iraq, does that make Kuwait look like a model country (ISIS held parts aside)?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I know the arabs are bad (and apparently these are people who we should be bringing into the country in large numbers) but which makes it look like a model country? How about Iraq, does that make Kuwait look like a model country (ISIS held parts aside)?
    The governments are largely terrible. Bit unfair to just apply that to "arabs" in general.

    It's like saying the Americans are bad just because they managed to let Trump become president!
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    Just practically, It's better for Trump not to give a speech.

    The hall that state visit speeches are given in - Westminster Hall - is right next to where protestors gather outside Parliament, so the sound of angry protestors would drown him out anyway.

    And plus, no Labour or Lib Dem MPs will show up, so the hall would be half empty, which would infuriate Trump!

    Him giving a speech would make him hate Britain & seriously damage the 'special relationship'
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    (Original post by jamestg)
    Good.

    Why should Trump get to speak at Westminster Hall when only 5 foreign leaders have done so since WW2? And only one of those five were a US President.

    Being able to speak at Westminster hall is an extremely rare privilege and Trump has done nothing to earn himself the chance to speak there so far.

    Bercow did not set a precedent for allowing Obama to speak there, so stop treating it as such...
    It is a bit like handing Obama the Nobel Peace Prize for not being Bush Jnr.
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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    The governments are largely terrible. Bit unfair to just apply that to "arabs" in general.

    It's like saying the Americans are bad just because they managed to let Trump become president!
    No, that makes Americans brilliant. Time and time again it's demonstrated you don't need democracy to reshape a nation, yet in the arab world we see no will to reshape nations, we see populaces happy to persecute gays, subjugate women, and try to see the end to Israel. Even in the west after assimilation they're hardly brilliant, the majority of American Muslims see suicide attacks as justified to fight against Israel and think homosexuality should be discouraged (the question went into no more detail than that), over a third do not embrace religious pluralism. Half (and just under half of Muslim women) believe that women should pray separately to men, and the majority of those who do not believe this think that the women should be behind the men. They're more likely than almost any other Muslim in the world to put their religion first in their identity over nationality
 
 
 
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