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    (Original post by InnerTemple)
    The governments are largely terrible. Bit unfair to just apply that to "arabs" in general.

    It's like saying the Americans are bad just because they managed to let Trump become president!
    No, that makes Americans brilliant. Time and time again it's demonstrated you don't need democracy to reshape a nation, yet in the arab world we see no will to reshape nations, we see populaces happy to persecute gays, subjugate women, and try to see the end to Israel. Even in the west after assimilation they're hardly brilliant, the majority of American Muslims see suicide attacks as justified to fight against Israel and think homosexuality should be discouraged (the question went into no more detail than that), over a third do not embrace religious pluralism. Half (and just under half of Muslim women) believe that women should pray separately to men, and the majority of those who do not believe this think that the women should be behind the men. They're more likely than almost any other Muslim in the world to put their religion first in their identity over nationality
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    Conservatives/Libertarians/Classical Liberals really need to stop caring what the progressive eugenicists, race-baiters, racists (particularly against white people), traitors, xenophobes (they hold a particular hate for their own country), anti-Semites and sexists (particularly their sexism towards white men) think about them.

    Stop giving the moral pedestal - they don't do morality, their morality bends like Play-Doh, and as and when it fits with their political objectives. Progressivism has nothing to do with morality, ethics or principles and everything to do with social status, social strategy, societal deconstruction and the exploitation of identity as a proxy for class warfare.

    There's a tendency to place a certain amount of moral weight to their opinion, largely because it's expressed through powerful conduits they control like the Higher Education sector and the MSM. However, they don't own morality, principles or ethics - they don't actually have any. All they know is relativism.

    Stop caring what they think.
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    Wow they only just realised?
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      (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
      Kuwait is probably the least bad of the Arab states.
      Nah, that honour is held by either Jordan or Lebanon.
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      (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
      Wow. :eek4:

      Speaker Bercow has declared Trump to be too sexist and racist to be permitted to speak to Parliament.

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-live-updates

      Take that and chew on it, Trump! :lol:

      This must be a first for a very long time - a Speaker of the British Parliament denying speaking rights to the American President, due to his unsuitable conduct.

      If it wasn't tragic, it would be funny.
      So the leader of China, Xi Jinping, a man who opposes democracy and the West itself, who goes against all our values, is fine to come and speak to parliament but Trump isn't? Even though he is the leader of a country we consider our biggest ally and has democratically won an election.
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      (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
      Wow. :eek4:

      Speaker Bercow has declared Trump to be too sexist and racist to be permitted to speak to Parliament.

      https://www.theguardian.com/politics...s-live-updates

      Take that and chew on it, Trump! :lol:

      This must be a first for a very long time - a Speaker of the British Parliament denying speaking rights to the American President, due to his unsuitable conduct.

      If it wasn't tragic, it would be funny.
      Your poll options are biased. You could have just written "Yes" and "No" instead of clearly portraying one option as being better than the other.
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      Yeah, well this is one chamber Obama has been in that this cretin will not defile.
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      So they'll play host (and confirm the appointment of) to a philanderer, a man who skims money off the top and hires Eastern European rent boys for coke-fuelled sex parties, but they won't host the President of the United States?

      Sounds about right. It's really easy to make yourself prominent before the public these days, it's like a narcissists wet dream.

      All you've to do is apply hypocritical standards for who is or is not allowed to be racist (newsflash: progressives and non-white people are permitted to be as racist/anti-Semitic as they like), or what does or does not amount to racism as determined by the identity of the perpetrator or victim, and beat your drum like some sort of 1960's puritan eager to ban dungeons and dragons because it's 'too sexually provocative.'

      Progressives really are the worst type of social conservatives - if they aren't telling other people how to behave while refusing to practice what they preach, they wouldn't be saying anything at all.
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      (Original post by 44park)
      So the leader of China, Xi Jinping, a man who opposes democracy and the West itself, who goes against all our values, is fine to come and speak to parliament but Trump isn't? Even though he is the leader of a country we consider our biggest ally and has democratically won an election.
      I'm with you on China really. Bercow is being selective according to his biases (and no doubt his endless battle with the Tory party), but that doesn't mean he's wrong about Trump.
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      (Original post by 44park)
      So the leader of China, Xi Jinping, a man who opposes democracy and the West itself, who goes against all our values, is fine to come and speak to parliament but Trump isn't? Even though he is the leader of a country we consider our biggest ally and has democratically won an election.
      (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
      I'm with you on China really. Bercow is being selective according to his biases (and no doubt his endless battle with the Tory party), but that doesn't mean he's wrong about Trump.
      Effectively the Westminister Hall speech was untenable once Labour was going to cut up rough about it. Bercow should not have offered his own opinion on Trump. He should simply have said that there was insufficient support across the chamber for such an invitation to be issued.
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      (Original post by Lana_A)
      “You know, it doesn’t really matter what (the media) write as long as you’ve got a young and beautiful piece of ass. But she’s got to be young and beautiful.”
      a) Not a presidential action, shouldn't count
      b) Who doesn't like young and beautiful people?

      “If Ivanka weren’t my daughter, perhaps I’d be dating her.”
      a) Not a presidential action, shouldn't count
      b) Have you seen Ivanka?


      “Can you imagine that, the face of our next president? I mean, she’s a woman, and I’m not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on. Are we serious?”
      He has a point. I mean, Hillary as President ... really?


      “She was the winner and she gained a massive amount of weight, and it was real problem for us,”
      It is sad when that happens

      And THE WALL.
      What's wrong with controlling illegal immigration?
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      Hard to take him seriously on this when he welcomes the Emir of Kuwait and Xi Jinping.

      Btw, Kuwait also indulges in its own wee travel ban. But nah, little old Kuwait?
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      It is ironic that Bercow raised no objections to previous leaders with responsibility for racist and sexist policies speaking (the Pope, Aung San Suu KYi, Xi Jinping, and the Emir of Kuwait, for instance).

      He appears to have recently caught Snowflake's Syndrome, under which the sufferer cannot hear opinions disagreeable to him, or even hear their owners speak on other matters, lest he melts.

      There appears to be a conspiracy afoot to make countries look foolish and to damage their prospects. First the Americans elect Trump, now Bercow publishes an opinion that could have sensibly and productively remained private.
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      Bercow isn't fit to hold his office. He has just demonstrated it.

      The Speaker must be politically impartial at all times. It is certainly NOT his role to damage our country by insulting the leader of our most important ally with whom we have a vital defence and security partnership, and to whom we send 10% of our worldwide exports.

      It might not be appropriate for Trump to address both houses. It probably isn't. But to announce it in these terms is a gratuitous personal insult It could have been handled more diplomatically, should have been. The Speaker has a vital constitutional role, it is not a personal vanity project for a poison dwarf.
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      (Original post by astutehirstute)
      It could have been handled more diplomatically, should have been.
      Is Trump a paragon of diplomacy?

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      (Original post by jneill)
      Is Trump a paragon of diplomacy?

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      How relevant is that? Is this a playground?

      Is it not in UK interests to treat him and the country he represents with respect, no matter how he himself behaves? Was there any need to express this gratuitous opinion in public? Could his veto over a speech not have been used in private, with no risk of damage to UK interests?

      That Trump doesn't think before speaking is not a good reason for UK politicians to emulate him. Surely this is obvious to anyone of even the meanest intelligence (apart from Bercow, of course)?
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      (Original post by jneill)
      Is Trump a paragon of diplomacy?

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      From the UK's point of view he is far more "diplomatic" than Obama was.

      Obama said we would be "at the back of the queue" if we voted for Brexit. That was probably the most asinine attempt to involve the US in a British domestic question for the best part of a century.

      Trump reinstated the bust of Churchill in the Oval Office removed by Obama (why was it taken away, did it, do we, offend him??) and says we will be at the front of the queue under his administration.

      That seems pretty "diplomatic" to me.
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      (Original post by nulli tertius)
      It is a bit like handing Obama the Nobel Peace Prize for not being Bush Jnr.
      The Nobel Prize for Peace is one of the longest standing political jokes. Although they've done some good ones (Mandela for example), they've also made truly ludicrous awards that could only be justified in some bizarre Scandiwegian academic mindset in consultation with global plutocratic secret forces.

      As US comedian Tom Lehrer once said, "When Kissinger won the Nobel peace prize, satire died."
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      (Original post by astutehirstute)
      From the UK's point of view he is far more "diplomatic" than Obama was.

      Obama said we would be "at the back of the queue" if we voted for Brexit. That was probably the most asinine attempt to involve the US in a British domestic question for the best part of a century.

      Trump reinstated the bust of Churchill in the Oval Office removed by Obama (why was it taken away, did it, do we, offend him??) and says we will be at the front of the queue under his administration.

      That seems pretty "diplomatic" to me.
      Sure, he's nice to us.

      Shame about Mexico, the Arab world (apart from the bits people using his hotels come from) and anywhere non-majority white.
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      (Original post by astutehirstute)
      .. the bust of Churchill in the Oval Office removed by Obama (why was it taken away, did it, do we, offend him??) .
      Here's why - and no, very much no.
      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...and-mlk-busts/
     
     
     
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