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    What would you do if your regular peak train which you take to get home after work is overcrowded? By overcrowded I mean that there are people standing in all of the vestibules between carriages and all spaces are occupied in the standard class carriages. However you notice that there is space in first class area...

    Do you a) get on the train, pushing past the people in the vestibule, with the result of having to stand in the first class area?

    Or b) not get on the train and wait for the next service in around 45 minutes time?

    You have a valid standard class season ticket. National rail regulations are hidden below.


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    39. Travelling in first class accommodation with a standard class ticket If you have a standard class ticket (other than a Season Ticket), no standard class accommodation is available, and staff on that train give their permission, then you may travel in first class accommodation (or the equivalent) where this is available without extra charge.
    On-train staff will not give you permission to use first class accommodation (or the equivalent) unless they are satisfied that it is not required by anyone with a first class ticket and the standard class accommodation on the train is full. This permission may be withdrawn if a person holding a first class ticket requires the accommodation during your journey or standard class accommodation becomes available. If you have a standard class ticket and you travel in first class accommodation without permission (which includes occupying seats or standing in any part of the carriage), you will have to pay:
    (i) the difference between the price of that ticket and the price of the first class ticket for the accommodation you have used; or
    (ii) where Condition 4 (b) applies, you may be charged a Penalty Fare.
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    If you have a standard class Season Ticket, you may only travel in first class accommodation (which includes occupying seats or standing in any part of the carriage) if:

    (a) the difference between the full single fare for first class accommodation and the full single fare for standard class accommodation has been paid before your journey starts;
    (b) any other relevant supplement set out in the notices and other publications of the Train Companies has been paid before your journey starts;
    (c) notices are displayed allowing passengers with standard class tickets to use first class accommodation; or
    (d) on-train ticket staff have given you permission. In all other cases, if you travel in first class accommodation (or the equivalent) with a standard class Season Ticket, you will be treated as having joined the train without a valid ticket and Condition 2 or 4 will apply.

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    Stand in first class, maybe even take a seat. They aren't going to kick you out if there is no space to go to.
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    (Original post by Willy Pete)
    Stand in first class, maybe even take a seat. They aren't going to kick you out if there is no space to go to.
    Interesting, so I assume you accept the risk of being fined. Or are you suggesting you might put up a fight?
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    Judging by the Ts&Cs you've listed, I'd go into first class.
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    (Original post by xylas)
    Interesting, so I assume you accept the risk of being fined. Or are you suggesting you might put up a fight?
    I wouldn't need to fight, ticket inspectors are people too and they understand that the rail service is horribly inadequate. I have done it hundreds of times. Also when trains are that full the inspectors rarely even comes down to check tickets.
 
 
 
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