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Drake tells hijabi muslim fans to take their scarf off at a concert! Watch

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    (Original post by AishaGirl)
    You realise I could be studying or doing other stuff instead I'm arguing and endless debate with you guys :hmmmm2:
    Aisha, you have been debating for ages. If you are intending to change their minds, then surely their minds would have been opened by now as these people have been on here for years, literally years debating about islam and all the efforts done were to no avail.
    There are much, much more beneficial things to be done. Wasting you time on here with the people of TSR will not benefit you.
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    (Original post by PrincessBO$$)
    Why you editing? :sad: I'm now curious :sad: about what u said :sad:
    No way lol it sounded dodgy as heck when i re-read it.
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    I actually went to this concert, It was great.

    That aside, what Drake said was wrong - period. Whether or not it is appropriate for a Hijabi to be in the audience, thats for another thread.
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    This thread is disappointing and so was that earlier video that was pointed. If the girls were Muslims then why shouldn't they be there? Concerts are a big part of western life. The people in the comments of the youtube video posted earlier saying "concerts are the work of the devil" and someone saying that people who go to concerts are monkeys (wtf) honestly grinds my gears. Islam needs to adapt for the 21st century like Christianity, this inflexibility really damages cohesion in a time where it is very much needed.
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    I'm Surprised They Went Dressed.
    I'm Guessing Drake Was too... :banana:
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    (Original post by President Hawk)
    I'm Surprised They Went Dressed.
    I'm Guessing Drake Was too... :banana:
    Hehe... The Banana Though!
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      (Original post by 99_Problems)
      This thread is disappointing and so was that earlier video that was pointed. If the girls were Muslims then why shouldn't they be there? Concerts are a big part of western life. The people in the comments of the youtube video posted earlier saying "concerts are the work of the devil" and someone saying that people who go to concerts are monkeys (wtf) honestly grinds my gears. Islam needs to adapt for the 21st century like Christianity, this inflexibility really damages cohesion in a time where it is very much needed.
      What is the point of 'adapting to the 21st century' if you lose sight of what is important?

      They could 'adapt to the 22nd century' and stop believing in a god altogether - but that would hardly be islam.
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      (Original post by QE2)
      Yep, that's what it says in the Quran. To be precise, it says "fitnah is worse than killing" (2:217). In this context, "fitnah" is considered to be the enabling of disbelief.
      I don't come from a Muslim background, so all of this is alien to me. I totally understand Judeo-Christian culture, per contra, because you absorb it by osmosis, even if you are neither Jewish not Christian in a formal sense. It is second nature, whether you are religious or secular.. Even Dawkins says he is "culturally a Christian."

      But trying to grasp Islam is like visiting a foreign county when you don't speak the language and no-one speaks yours.

      It seems to me important to try, though, you can't understand the modern world without understanding Islam and Islamic history.

      So this thread has been educational to me. I genuinely didn't realise this, thank you for explaining it to me (actually Aisha was the first).

      When you realise that Mohammed promulgated such an extraordinary doctrine, and has been believed with sincere religious fervour, so much of what has happened through history, and is happening recently starts to make sense.

      We (not you obviously) western secularists really don't understand Muslims. We think they are just like us, with a religious coating. But they are not, it is a totally antithetical belief system.

      It makes me despair, actually. I can't see a way forward, in the short term at least. I don't see how you can be a good Muslim AND integrate in the post Christian. secular west.
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      (Original post by astutehirstute)
      I don't come from a Muslim background, so all of this is alien to me. I totally understand Judeo-Christian culture, per contra, because you absorb it by osmosis, even if you are neither Jewish not Christian in a formal sense. It is second nature, whether you are religious or secular.. Even Dawkins says he is "culturally a Christian."

      But trying to grasp Islam is like visiting a foreign county when you don't speak the language and no-one speaks yours.

      It seems to me important to try, though, you can't understand the modern world without understanding Islam and Islamic history.

      So this thread has been educational to me. I genuinely didn't realise this, thank you for explaining it to me (actually Aisha was the first).

      When you realise that Mohammed promulgated such an extraordinary doctrine, and has been believed with sincere religious fervour, so much of what has happened through history, and is happening recently starts to make sense.

      We (not you obviously) western secularists really don't understand Muslims. We think they are just like us, with a religious coating. But they are not, it is a totally antithetical belief system.

      It makes me despair, actually. I can't see a way forward, in the short term at least. I don't see how you can be a good Muslim AND integrate in the post Christian. secular west.
      It all depends on how you define "good Muslim". To me, it is exemplified by the likes of Maajid Nawaz (who is also the handsomest man in the world, and coined the term "regressive left", *swoon* - if I wasn't straight...). Unfortunately, to others it involves rejecting any attempts at modernisation, revisionism and integration. I have seen the idea "Islam shouldn't change to fit society, society must change to fit Islam" expressed many times on TSR ISOC (hardly the most radical of Islamist forums!)
      And it seems that the greater the need for an Islamic Enlightenment, the more some resist it.
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      (Original post by Mathemagicien)
      What is the point of 'adapting to the 21st century' if you lose sight of what is important?

      They could 'adapt to the 22nd century' and stop believing in a god altogether - but that would hardly be islam.

      Could you explain why attending a concert is wrong? How does it prevent you from practicing your faith etc. It's a bit of a straw man argument to bring up stopping believing in Gold when that is clearly not what was being discussed in the first place.
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      All of my anti-religion quotes have been put under review with some being declined. It seems TSR is run by tossers who don't believe in freedom of speech.

      Following the path of religion, leads to ignorance; it is one of the reasons science has been held back for many years. If religion didn't exist, many genetic diseases probably would have been cured 40-50 years ago. If religion didn't exist, there wouldn't be people running around with bomb vests, the crusades wouldn't of happened, and ireland as well as many other countries wouldn't have split. **** religion **** god; follow science, reason and logic. Be an Athiest.
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      (Original post by Percypig17)
      Could you explain why attending a concert is wrong?
      http://www.islamawareness.net/Music/prohibited.html

      https://www.al-islam.org/a-code-of-p...inging-dancing
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      (Original post by Junaid12)
      A person shouldn't say anything like that to anyone. They are allowed to wear what they want. Drake wouldn't say that on the street because he would get smacked. But at a safe concert stage with security, Hell yeah!


      (Original post by Tahmim14)
      It really saddens me to think that most non Muslims think that the hijab is a sign of oppression where it is actually a symbol of your love for Allah :/

      (Original post by PrincessBO$$)
      He has a right to tell somebody else to take their HIJAB of? :gasp:
      interesting that most ppl here missed the larger point, from the point of an actual muslims- ie that a female muslim going to a mixed concert to listen to music is in fact against islamic edicts in the first place (hijab or not)-

      allow the well known youtube imams to clarify

      https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=4549666







      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUek15xwH6g
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      (Original post by AishaGirl)
      Or exposing herself to a dozen sources of fitnah simultaneously.
      surely just stepping out the front door in this day and age exposes one to various fitnahs simultaneously ( in islamic terms anyway - looking at men/men looking at you, temptation to steal, hearing music, meeting non-muslims, hearing other points of views that are not islamic etc etc) ) for the rest of us stepping out is simply the start of a new day, and all the thought processes that we are required to make for ourselves.

      if your concern is genuinely this great, why would you leave the house at all?
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      (Original post by Reformed)
      if your concern is genuinely this great, why would you leave the house at all?
      #lifeisatest™
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      (Original post by 99_Problems)
      This thread is disappointing and so was that earlier video that was pointed. If the girls were Muslims then why shouldn't they be there? Concerts are a big part of western life. The people in the comments of the youtube video posted earlier saying "concerts are the work of the devil" and someone saying that people who go to concerts are monkeys (wtf) honestly grinds my gears. Islam needs to adapt for the 21st century like Christianity, this inflexibility really damages cohesion in a time where it is very much needed.
      I understand what your saying but I dont believe Islam needs to adapt. Yes those hijabi girls shouldnt be there according to Islam but so shouldnt the non hijabi muslim girls and dont forget about the muslim men. We as muslims do live in the West so we shouldnt criticise others who do things against our religion but rather refrain from doing those things. Obviously, everyone has a choice and I would prefer a girl with a hijab to go that concert rather than a non hijabi muslim because 2 wrongs dont make a right. But I understand exactly what your saying
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      (Original post by QE2)
      It all depends on how you define "good Muslim". To me, it is exemplified by the likes of Maajid Nawaz (who is also the handsomest man in the world, and coined the term "regressive left", *swoon* - if I wasn't straight...). Unfortunately, to others it involves rejecting any attempts at modernisation, revisionism and integration. I have seen the idea "Islam shouldn't change to fit society, society must change to fit Islam" expressed many times on TSR ISOC (hardly the most radical of Islamist forums!)
      And it seems that the greater the need for an Islamic Enlightenment, the more some resist it.
      I get what your saying. To me, a "good muslim" is someone who follows the path of the Prophet (saw) to the best of his abilities. In that case, I would say Maajid Nawaz isnt the best of Muslims because of some of his views which actually goes against the way of Islam. Im not one to judge either because I know the wrongs Im doing in my own life. Even though he is a shia, I strongly support the works of Mehdi Hassan because of his loyalty to the way of Islam..
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      (Original post by Asian_persuasion)
      I understand what your saying but I dont believe Islam needs to adapt.
      When you say that Islam doesn't need to adapt, do you mean that slavery, the rape of captives, wife beating and death for apostates, adulterers and homosexuals (under certain conditions) are all still appropriate and acceptable actions. Because if you do, I have no idea how you can expect Islam to be accepted by the civilised world.

      However, if you claim that they are no longer acceptable, then Islam is already adapting (or at least, your version is).
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      (Original post by Asian_persuasion)
      I get what your saying. To me, a "good muslim" is someone who follows the path of the Prophet (saw) to the best of his abilities. In that case, I would say Maajid Nawaz isnt the best of Muslims because of some of his views which actually goes against the way of Islam.
      Well, isn't that kinda the point? Islam cannot remain stuck in 7th century Arabia. If it wants to continue to coexist in the future we all face together it must adapt and modernise.

      I strongly support the works of Mehdi Hassan because of his loyalty to the way of Islam..
      Ah yes, the man who genuinely believes that Muhammad literally flew to heaven on a winged donkey with telescopic legs! And he pretends to be a serious and objective journalist! :rofl:
      He is also no stranger to disingenuity and misrepresentation. And his debate style that ranges from the condescending to the sneering. Not a good poster boy for moderate Islam.
     
     
     
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