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    Hi all.
    I been arguing a lot recently with my gf about uni so i decided to make a poll with question and see what most people do/think.

    You can judge me hate me or whatever thats just my opinion.
    In my opinion uni is pointless unless you really 100% sure what you wanna do in life and carry on the subject you studied in uni for rest or most of your life.
    Also i think uni is pointless as you dont really need to go uni to be educated because you dont really learn anything special there, like really what something useful you remember from school/college/uni most of the stuff is just the book work in order to make the time in schools and to have some grades, people mostly focus on grades ''getting the good grade' but without remembering stuff they focus more on grades. A person with lower grade could have better experience than the person with better grades [not saying right after the test] but as in about some longer term as more people focus on grades and just to remember it up to exam and then the memory is lost and over and over again same thing.

    Also you dont need to go to uni in order to get a good job for example whats point of cosmetology or idk some other uni 4 years time when you can just take a work course/experience forgot what they were called but i remember/heard somewhere that you can just take some type of course if you really wanna some job for example work in microsoft at some specific thing you can get a course done and get this work instead spending 4 or 5 years in uni for some overall Computer science .

    There is a lot of competitions its some type of trend or like social thing ''oh you dont go uni you low you uneducated you will end up homeless etc etc'' so people just goes like sheeps [sorry not all ] to uni straight from school without really thinking about theirfuture what really makes them happy. You often see people working in their jobs even they earning good and after uni have nice job the realised its not really what they wanna do and they just hating their job/life.



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    Sorry i was doing it i thought it won't post it before i do poll because there was no button or page to create poll until i click submit post but here it is guys
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    I never went to uni "when your supposed to" In fact I had to drop out of college at 17 due to health issues.

    Didnt work for a number of years, went to do volunteering work for 18 months and now work in a job that I love and another at the weekends as im saving to start my own business.

    When i was better, my parents pressurised me to go back to college and apply for uni. Stupidly, i applied for a college course and realised it really wasn't for me so dropped out again.

    I have very little support with the choices I have made- friends who dont understand why I didnt just go to university to build a well paid career "because your not meant to enjoy your job" and parents who are academically driven so are disappointed I didnt go.

    However, the attitude of "if you dont go if your young and graduate when your young" is codswollop. I know people 50+ who have gone to university to get degrees for whatever reason- course wasnt available to them at a young age, had a family, thought they wanted a different career.

    The amount of people I know my age who went to university and either dropped out, hate their jobs or have gone back is quite high- id say 20% of my friends from school. One is saving to go back to university, three are in completely different jobs to what they thought they were and a handful just hate what they are doing- one of which wanted her chosen career from when I first met her 10+ years ago.

    University isnt for everyone- and some people go for the "free money", to get pissed and act like a idiot (which you can do anyway) and because it is freedom from Mum and Dad (get a job and move out if thats what you want!)

    It seems stupid to walk out of somewhere with 30k+ of debt to do a job you find you dont like. If your passionate about doing something then go- but do it for the right reasons and realise there are many, many options out there available to young people.


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    Your girlfriend sounds incredibly naive to believe that "all people without degrees become homeless" or that having a piece of paper with your name on prevents you from becoming homeless




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    I didn't said it in her name she never said something like this i just said it what people usually say not exacly homeless but you should get the idea like that they think you are just uneducated and waste if you dont go uni
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    Where is the option for dropped out of uni?
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    I personally didn't go to Uni because I didn't think it was for me; for ages I thought I was going to go and had my heart set on English Lit as my chosen subject, I had the grades for it etc. However when it came to the time to decide I realised it wasn't really for me and I would much rather get an apprenticeship and get paid whilst I learnt, in order to pay for things I wanted; such as driving lessons and a car.

    This also meant I could get a qualification whilst working and getting paid at the same time, so it was a win win for me!

    A lot of people look down on people for not going to Uni but when discussing it with my Dad after a woman where I used to work said 'Well I wouldn't have this job without my degree', he just turned around to me and said 'Well, what job is she doing?' and I said 'What do you mean?', to which he replied 'Well, she's doing the same job as you so she hasn't really got a leg to stand on has she?'. Point well made Dad, point well made haha...

    I do feel like I have to prove myself to people sometimes because I didn't go to Uni; but then I just think on what my Dad said and it cheers me up and it doesn't bother me so much anymore.

    Also whilst my friends who did go to Uni were living away from home (granted some people wanted that, me however I did not as I am much more of a home bird), skint all the time, I was earning a wage and was able to buy the things I wanted.

    Now I have moved on from where I got my apprenticeship and am working in a place I like and the pay is good so all is well!

    Just do what is right for you and shove what other people think is what I say!

    Hope my ramblings helped a little!
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    (Original post by i3arty)
    In my opinion uni is pointless unless you really 100% sure what you wanna do in life and carry on the subject you studied in uni for rest or most of your life.

    Also i think uni is pointless as you dont really need to go uni to be educated because you dont really learn anything special there
    I used to think like this and realised it's incredibly flawed. If you are going to uni purely for the learning then you are not making the most of your £9000.

    Uni is not all about jobs and education. As cliche as this sounds, uni teaches and offers a lot of things besides. For example, sure I can find all the info from uni online. I can get the same amount of learning. But I get none of the guidance of having experts. I can't asked questions and build relationships online in the same way I can in person. If I'm working on a project a lecturer can get intimately involved with this. If I'm online it's far more difficult.

    Opportunity wise there is so much besides the actual education. For example, I'll try and list all the opportunities and benefits available to me:

    --Student discounts, offers and so on all over the place
    --Unfettered access to uni facilities. For any practical subjects, especially where you have labs and tools this is great
    --Libraries deserve their own mention for the amount they offer
    --Socities are abundant. There are over 100 different societies at my uni. Where else could I find local groups of so many like minded people?
    --Getting invovled in things. This one is hugely encompassing and can range from competitions and games to educational discussions, politics and so on. There is so much to get invovled with at uni
    --The chance to live away from home and with like minded people going through the same things you are. It's also a chance to meet people and network. This isn't limited to students but lecturers and speakers as well
    The list goes on.

    If you look at it as though you are paying £9000 for some PowerPoints and 12 hours per week then yeah, it's a bad deal. But there is so much more to uni than that.

    While I don't think you should step into uni until you have a clear idea where you want to go, you certainly don't need to be 100% sure. Nobody is 100% sure. Nor do you need to be stuck in that industry for 50 years.

    I think it's very difficult for you to judge uni objectively when you are so clearly against it. Saying you don't get anything special out shows that you either haven't been or went and didn't make the most of it. You also shouldn't try to control what others do based on your opinions. If you gf wants to be at uni then you should support her.
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    (Original post by i3arty)
    Hi all.
    I been arguing a lot recently with my gf about uni so i decided to make a poll with question and see what most people do/think.

    You can judge me hate me or whatever thats just my opinion.
    In my opinion uni is pointless unless you really 100% sure what you wanna do in life and carry on the subject you studied in uni for rest or most of your life.
    Also i think uni is pointless as you dont really need to go uni to be educated because you dont really learn anything special there, like really what something useful you remember from school/college/uni most of the stuff is just the book work in order to make the time in schools and to have some grades, people mostly focus on grades ''getting the good grade' but without remembering stuff they focus more on grades. A person with lower grade could have better experience than the person with better grades [not saying right after the test] but as in about some longer term as more people focus on grades and just to remember it up to exam and then the memory is lost and over and over again same thing.

    Also you dont need to go to uni in order to get a good job for example whats point of cosmetology or idk some other uni 4 years time when you can just take a work course/experience forgot what they were called but i remember/heard somewhere that you can just take some type of course if you really wanna some job for example work in microsoft at some specific thing you can get a course done and get this work instead spending 4 or 5 years in uni for some overall Computer science .

    There is a lot of competitions its some type of trend or like social thing ''oh you dont go uni you low you uneducated you will end up homeless etc etc'' so people just goes like sheeps [sorry not all ] to uni straight from school without really thinking about theirfuture what really makes them happy. You often see people working in their jobs even they earning good and after uni have nice job the realised its not really what they wanna do and they just hating their job/life.

    Im always telling my gf to take a gap year and think about her life try other stuff but it seems like im talking to a brick wall [sorry <3 if you reading this] because she dont really take it into her she just wanna go uni even tho she dont know really for what ? Like i dont understand its not like she will fail her life taking gap year she will most likely find something she really loves instead just rushing through her life ? [She says why cant i support her going to uni [not financially but like why i cannot agree] i do i mean i dont agree but i just think its better for her if she really dont know ?


    But yeah thats basically all i wanted to tell you guys and sorry i put it in chat i wasnt sure what topic so i guess here so we can chat about it ?

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    The degree of "pointlessness" regarding university depends on your reasons for going.

    If someone intends on going to university mostly because they "want to go to uni" then I agree a little that it's pointless. Until alternatives to university become less stigmatized, some people will persist in having this reason because of how positive and glamorous university culture is often portrayed. In my opinion, this isn't a good reason. Neither is the reason that it's a great means of "buying time" before they need to face the "real world". Usually, this makes the inevitable that much harder when it finally hits.

    Also, going to university because it's the norm in your social group shouldn't be the main reason for wanting to go. While the factor of peer pressure shouldn't be ignored, it should be up to the individual and the individual alone on such a big investment in time (and money obviously).

    If someone intends on going to university purely because they want to continue learning about a specific academic discipline, then I would always encourage this, even if they don't end up pursuing this as a career. Obviously people can still learn about things outside of university but being a university student gives you the perfect platform to seek additional support from specialists in a given area, as well as a platform to question certain academic theories/views etc and even question your own core beliefs whether academically, socially or whatever. I would however, encourage students to allow some practical time to consider career pathways before and during their degree since there's certainly enough tools and support for this.

    University, importantly, isn't only about academic progression either, since it's a perfect way for young adults to practice their independence since, no matter how much financial backing some might get from parents, living away from home (or even spending considerable time away if they are commuting) is a great exercise in self-sufficiency. University is also a great social platform to network with people on their course or through societies who share similar interests or ideas about what they want to do/who they want to be. I personally grew considerably in confidence during my time at university, for which I can't thank myself enough in my decision to go.

    I think that because university is often seen as a be-all end-all option after A-Levels, other alternatives need to be more heavily emphasized since, in the nicest possible way, university simply isn't for everyone and there shouldn't be any shame on anyone for choosing not to go, even if peers think they're more than good enough.

    Gap years can be a real dealbreaker as well. In my opinion A-Levels are incredibly over-stressful (now more than ever) and the pressure of applying to university in this stressful time can easily send people over the edge, speaking from experience. I took a gap year and applied to uni then whilst simply working a few jobs and by the end of that year, I knew I was ready for university. Because of my gap year, I felt much more confident having survived a little in the real world and I also felt more secure having a bit of my own money in the bank. I would therefore encourage anyone to take a practical gap year (not a "gap yahh") if they are in a dilemma about whether university is worth it.

    So yeah, university isn't pointless for many reasons (as long as your reasons for wanting to go match with these reasons) but it's certainly not compulsory for everyone perceived as "good enough" and this needs to be way more heavily emphasized during the stress frenzy that is A-Levels during the 21st century.
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    In a way, I think for the benefit of education alone it is probably worth it (independent of material gain), in that it drives self-improvement. Though some (few) people are lucky enough to not need any external influence for that.
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    i agree with you! unless you are 100% sure about what you want to do in your future, there is no point in going to uni. i would much rather take a gap year and explore my options. possibly get a apprenticeship and do some kind of work.
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    personally if i didnt want to go into law i probably wouldnt have gone to uni. loads of top companies offer apprenticeships, even in the city, but i suppose its a good experience and ive met some great mates. what ive also found is that in my experience at least, the people that go to ex polys seem to earn six figure salaries while people like me who go to a russel group and do a solid traditional degree like pharmacy or law amble on at the 50k+ mark. uni is what you make of it and if you dont go you can still have a good life
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    I really think it depends on the circumstances. What I usually do is compare the minimum wage to university and then compare graduate salaries of courses and the minimum wage etc and look at the difference.

    of course this methodology misses out on a few things firstly it assumes you will earn minimum wage if you don't go to university which may not necessarily be true. secondly it assumes your graduate salary will be a constant which also may not be true because their is career progression.

    I think if Finance is our concern we need to take a look at ourselves and ask what could our expectations realistically be if we did not go to university? do we have any career paths in mind or any other skills etc? For example maybe you are good at sales I have known quite a few uneducated people who can make a lot of money from sales. However maybe you suck at sales and will likely get fired.

    You also need to look at what fields graduates are going into, a lot of people jump on me for criticizing weaker universities graduate salaries. The argument been career progression, however when you look at where most of their graduates end up and it says Retail/ Cashiers assistant, you can pretty much conclude the degree did nothing for them. one day they may indeed end up been a manager their, However firstly the degree is likely to have had little impact on that in most cases and in most cases they are working stacking shelves until computers replace their job function and they live off the doll/homeless.

    In this case it is hard to make the justification for going to university in financial terms.

    the fact that you never have to pay back the loan if you fail to earn over a certain fresh hold is a strong selling point. the downside is, that it means if you ever do earn over that thresh hold but the degree played no part in it, then it kind of sucks paying it back.

    Though that is a major objection to the cost argument.

    you then have people who say that education enriches the soul blah blah nonsense.
    Well if you have a fascination with science, classics Maths etc and you will remember and take this with you for the rest of your life then sure this is very possibly true.

    However if like in many cases you will likely never use what you learn and forget the vast majority of it, then it doesn't really add that much to your life and fails to justify itself. Even if the subject is intellectually respectable.

    Then there is personal growth if you really struggle or are pushing yourself to the max then that builds character and a real sense of accomplishment. which is worth it.

    If you are going just for the fun and your happy with those 3 years of partying then again others can criticize but if you get a lot out of it then fair enough.

    However in many cases people go to university just because they think its the thing to do, they don't stretch themselves and thus don't build character, they don't do an interesting subject and thus forget most of it they don't have a great time and it does not help them get a job or better salary.

    In this case the whole experience was a waste and a bad idea.

    their is also the fact that you only get funding for one degree so maybe if you don't know what you want to do right now, it is best not to waste that. so you can get the funding for what you do want to do.

    so it is really dependent on what you want out of university and what you want to do. It is not a clear cut yes or no answer.
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    I used to think like this and realised it's incredibly flawed. If you are going to uni purely for the learning then you are not making the most of your £9000.

    Uni is not all about jobs and education. As cliche as this sounds, uni teaches and offers a lot of things besides. For example, sure I can find all the info from uni online. I can get the same amount of learning. But I get none of the guidance of having experts. I can't asked questions and build relationships online in the same way I can in person. If I'm working on a project a lecturer can get intimately involved with this. If I'm online it's far more difficult.

    Opportunity wise there is so much besides the actual education. For example, I'll try and list all the opportunities and benefits available to me:

    --Student discounts, offers and so on all over the place
    --Unfettered access to uni facilities. For any practical subjects, especially where you have labs and tools this is great
    --Libraries deserve their own mention for the amount they offer
    --Socities are abundant. There are over 100 different societies at my uni. Where else could I find local groups of so many like minded people?
    --Getting invovled in things. This one is hugely encompassing and can range from competitions and games to educational discussions, politics and so on. There is so much to get invovled with at uni
    --The chance to live away from home and with like minded people going through the same things you are. It's also a chance to meet people and network. This isn't limited to students but lecturers and speakers as well
    The list goes on.

    If you look at it as though you are paying £9000 for some PowerPoints and 12 hours per week then yeah, it's a bad deal. But there is so much more to uni than that.

    While I don't think you should step into uni until you have a clear idea where you want to go, you certainly don't need to be 100% sure. Nobody is 100% sure. Nor do you need to be stuck in that industry for 50 years.

    I think it's very difficult for you to judge uni objectively when you are so clearly against it. Saying you don't get anything special out shows that you either haven't been or went and didn't make the most of it. You also shouldn't try to control what others do based on your opinions. If you gf wants to be at uni then you should support her.
    Agree with you but going to uni just to socialize is like ? you paying a really high debt for it its not like its free if it was free then why not i would go right away but considering that you spend 4 years of your life in uni and need to pay 27000£ ? or more depends on your subject then its a little questioning. Using the facilities and all its also not big deal im sure everyone has a pc at home and most of the facilities but yeah except the lab but as i said if you really wanna learn then yeah go uni but if you just going to get a paper/certificate? if you really into learning trying stuff using labs using most as you can then sure i will support anyone like this but from what i see most people go uni just to pass it and spend those 4 years getting that paper.

    Also ''Nor do you need to be stuck in that industry for 50 years.''
    I think if you willing to spend 25 000£ + for some subject i think you should or will spend most of your life in this industry unless you are rich and dont care about it or overall whats the point of spending so much and also time 4 or 5 years of your life and not using the most of it ? I have few older friends and i think most of them finished uni but never used their certificate as they found something else they like ... after uni ...

    I think its more about finding something you really love and enjoy doing instead rushing through your schools college uni and then realizing its not really that
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    Agree with you but going to uni just to socialize is like ? you paying a really high debt for it its not like its free if it was free then why not i would go right away but considering that you spend 4 years of your life in uni and need to pay 27000£ ? or more depends on your subject then its a little questioning. Using the facilities and all its also not big deal im sure everyone has a pc at home and most of the facilities but yeah except the lab but as i said if you really wanna learn then yeah go uni but if you just going to get a paper/certificate? if you really into learning trying stuff using labs using most as you can then sure i will support anyone like this but from what i see most people go uni just to pass it and spend those 4 years getting that paper.
    That's not what anybody has said though. Nobody is saying go to uni to socialise. We are saying the social scene is one of the MANY things you get out of uni besides an education.

    I'm guessing you haven't seen any universities if you think "everyone having a pc" means uni facilities are not a big deal. I personally spent £2000 on my pc, many students cannot afford that and yet my uni has them in abundance. Alongisde computers there are tons of other facilities. Science labs offer all sorts, from tools to chemicals that in some cases you outright won't get easily as an individual. Media related degrees offer things like lighting and camera equipment. Music degrees can offer instruments and recording facilities. Art degrees can offer digital or traditional mediums. Sports degrees offer all sorts of equipment. Libraries are extensive. The list goes on. Facilities is far more than someone having a computer.

    Ultimately the purpose of going to uni is to pass and get your degree. The fact that most people are doing that means most people are using uni correctly. And again, since you don't have uni experience you really have no place to say whether people get the most out of it or not. For example while it may look like a student is just going through and getting their degree, they are still getting exposure and experience with whatever their degree entails. I could do my degree, not make use of any extra facilities and still have all sorts of benefits (high end machines, virtual servers, networking equipment, forensic equipment, etc.)

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    Also ''Nor do you need to be stuck in that industry for 50 years.''
    I think if you willing to spend 25 000£ + for some subject i think you should or will spend most of your life in this industry unless you are rich and dont care about it or overall whats the point of spending so much and also time 4 or 5 years of your life and not using the most of it ? I have few older friends and i think most of them finished uni but never used their certificate as they found something else they like ... after uni ...
    Then that's any issue with your perception and exposure. Just because you think people should spend most of their life in an industry after uni doesn't mean everyone should or will. What if after 10 years things have moved on and you want a change of pace? I could change careers every 10 years which is not at all unreasonable. I'd go through 5 careers in that time but I'd still have my degree to back it all up.

    What's the point of getting a degree and not using it? Well regardless a degree is still a degree. People with degrees generally get paid more than people without. Not to mention a lot of jobs want a degree but not always a degree in that industry. If you spend 3 years at uni, leave with a degree and 50K debt, then work for 50 years your degree needs to bring more than £1000 of value per year to be worth it. Figures vary but I've seen claims that grads earn £500,000 more in their lifetime than people without a degree. That's £10,000 per year, or 10x what you pay. So simply having a degree makes you a better candidate, even before it opens more doors. That's not even factoring in the connections you make at uni.

    You also can't say that not doing the degree would have been better. Sure, your friends might not be using their degrees. But you can't say they'd be in the same position without them. You can't acurately compare because having a degree and not having a degree are mutually exclusive.

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    I think its more about finding something you really love and enjoy doing instead rushing through your schools college uni and then realizing its not really that
    I agree and I don't advocate rushing straight off to uni at 18. I started 3 years later, with an extra 2 years at college and a gap year. Plenty of people go to uni far later than me.

    Saying that people should find something they really love and enjoy is pretty naive though. Ask anyone and I'm sure they can't tell you something they love, enjoy and want to do as a job, day in day out for the rest of their lives. In fact if you do follow a passion and turn it into a job, odds are you'll hate it sooner or later. Much sooner than 50 years later. You certainly won't be doing it all your life.

    Instead I think people should go to uni when they have a general idea what they'd enjoy, because uni gives the you the exact opportunity to try things and find out what you really want. But above all else people should be free to do what they want. If someone wants to go to uni for 3 years, get a degree in art and then decides to work in retail for 20 years and manage stores then what's wrong with that? It's down to nobody but the indivdiual to do what they like. While you might perceive it as a waste it is not your life.
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    Chill man im not saying everyone you misinterpreting me im saying ''some people'' or most people go to socialize or just to be there cuz its fun and in meantime having degree im not saying its just for socialize but what im saying is that when people go to uni ''Only to socialize have fun times'' then idk whats their point of being in debt so much just for fun. I think going to uni is just if you serious about your career and progress more into it and spend most of your life working in that career but most people just go uni cuz its like trend you need to go uni cuz everyone goes like fun times etc etc but for 27 000£ + i could have such a fun times that i wont even remember.
    And yeah i get that there are all facilities better and all high tech because its uni, but all my point is that its pointless to go if you not serious about your career and uni
 
 
 
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