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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I know some individuals have different ideas but Marxism is accepted as having lots of flaws in.
    I'm not a Marxist, but is there any ideology which isn't?

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    I'm not a Marxist, but is there any ideology which isn't?

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    Yes, my ideology where I make decisions based on what is best for me, my family, and then my country.
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    Yes we can because this bill does support hard work. You still have to do the test before getting into grammar schools, it is just that the people targeted first are students who are struggling financially. Introducing a quota =/= more "incapable kids" in our grammar schools... it just means that while going through applications, schools would be looking for students who did well in the 11+ tests and are struggling financially.
    Unless they already excede the quota it necessarily does mean that, or are you saying telling the more capable candidate "sorry, but we have to cut you for somebody less able to meet a quota" is reducing what, for simplicity, I shall call "total capability"?
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    Yes, my ideology where I make decisions based on what is best for me, my family, and then my country.
    Has flaws in that considering countries is irrational.

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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Has flaws in that considering countries is irrational.

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    Something being judged as irrational by you is not a flaw, a flaw is when something is wrong, misunderstood, or based on something that is not true.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Has flaws in that considering countries is irrational.

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    Why is that irrational?
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Has flaws in that considering countries is irrational.

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    Wut?
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    Countries are a result of human conduct; they cannot be a root cause.

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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Countries are a result of human conduct; they cannot be a root cause.

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    If countries are formed by humans as a way to protect their own self-interest by boosting those who formed the country, a country is a rational concept.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    If countries are formed by humans as a way to protect their own self-interest by boosting those who formed the country, a country is a rational concept.
    Valid. Selfishness is an ideology without rational objection because it is unrefined - likewise utilitarianism or (philosophical) libertarianism.

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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Valid. Selfishness is an ideology without rational objection because it is unrefined - likewise utilitarianism or (philosophical) libertarianism.

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    utiltarianism isn't natural though. We don't naturally start evaluating all of the indirect and direct consequences of our action with every organism's suffering being equal. Utiltarianism is a sure fire way to aim for universal 0 entropy, but I can't help but feel that that isn't the way we should live our lives.
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    utiltarianism isn't natural though. We don't naturally start evaluating all of the indirect and direct consequences of our action with every organism's suffering being equal. Utiltarianism is a sure fire way to aim for universal 0 entropy, but I can't help but feel that that isn't the way we should live our lives.
    How is what's 'natural' relevant?

    Also, your last sentence is complete nonsense.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    How is what's 'natural' relevant?

    Also, your last sentence is complete nonsense.
    I can't really explain it properly. nvm.
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