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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    Nothing to do with CUCA. This is a nasty smear. Sad!
    He was Communications and Publicity Officer for CUCA. This is probably not the kind of communication or publicity they would want though.
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    (Original post by Maria ZT)
    It's not a smear. He was at the time of the action the CUCA's Communications and Publicity officer. In other words, he was an officer, a leading member, already in his first year. He is patently obviously a raving Tory.
    Whatever. He's been removed from the organisation and was a member of all manner of other organisations, too, as CUCA's chairman pointed out publicly. Attempts to spin this story as being basically about CUCA, rather than this one individual, fail for both of these reasons.

    (Original post by jneill)
    This is probably not the kind of communication or publicity they would want though.
    Of course it isn't. This is because it will cause people to draw conclusions about CUCA in general, not least because of how this has been dealt with in the student 'media'. That doesn't make such conclusions sensible or logical.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    Whatever. He's been removed from the organisation and was a member of all manner of other organisations, too, as CUCA's chairman pointed out publicly. Attempts to spin this story as being basically about CUCA, rather than this one individual, fail for both of these reasons.
    TBF ive seen more references that he is some distant in-law of Nicola Sturgeon.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    TBF ive seen more references that he is some distant in-law of Nicola Sturgeon.
    Which are very silly too :dontknow:
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Blair is still finding easy employment, and he's got a worse Google.
    Tbf he has skills and experience that outweigh his previous failings for the people who are willing to hire him.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    Which are very silly too :dontknow:
    Its no really a big story it will blow over. I dont think it does the CA that much harm tbh. but its obvious any tabloid would go for the political angle whichever party he was in. It is quite distasteful and I hope the Uni give him an appropriate sanction.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    Of course it isn't. This is because it will cause people to draw conclusions about CUCA in general, not least because of how this has been dealt with in the student 'media'. That doesn't make such conclusions sensible or logical.
    The irony of his CUCA position seems entirely lost on you.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    The irony of his CUCA position seems entirely lost on you.
    Alright, I missed your point.

    My point still holds though.

    (Original post by 999tigger)
    It is quite distasteful and I hope the Uni give him an appropriate sanction.
    I agree.
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    Whatever. He's been removed from the organisation and was a member of all manner of other organisations, too, as CUCA's chairman pointed out publicly. Attempts to spin this story as being basically about CUCA, rather than this one individual, fail for both of these reasons.



    Of course it isn't. This is because it will cause people to draw conclusions about CUCA in general, not least because of how this has been dealt with in the student 'media'. That doesn't make such conclusions sensible or logical.
    You really are reaching, and so is the CUCA chairman if he offers this guy's membership of "all manner of other organisations" as if it supports the conclusion that his CUCA involvement somehow conflicts terribly with his attitude towards homeless people. Really? Name the other organisations. Do they include the Labour association? Are there any in which he's the only Tory bourgeois and all the other members are plebs with whom he happens to share an interest? CUCA is a thriving association. There is no lack of people willing to be officers. He was an officer in it and even now he's only been at the university for four months. He obviously shares the culture and values of the top clique in it - even if they probably aren't so moronic as to do what he did in public - otherwise they wouldn't have given him the post. The chairman doesn't say "We were so shocked! We thought he loved the working class, and now we learn he hates their guts!"
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    Btw what would be an appropriate sanction? A fine doesnt seem appropriate.
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    (Original post by Maria ZT)
    He obviously shares the culture and values of the top clique in it - even if they probably aren't so moronic as to do what he did in public - otherwise they wouldn't have given him the post. The chairman doesn't say "We were so shocked! We thought he loved the working class, and now we learn he hates their guts!"
    He's a member of the union, for instance. The union hasn't been implicated in this because this behaviour had nothing to do with them.

    I'm not sure the bold is obvious at all, and that's rather the point. He was certainly involved in CUCA; that doesn't implicate that organisation in his choosing to do this.

    The chairman repudiates the behaviour and reinforces this by removing the guy from his society.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Btw what would be an appropriate sanction? A fine doesnt seem appropriate.
    He could be rusticated.

    Anyway I also don't want this going over the top. He did a very stupid thing and (hopefully) is now mortified by what he did.

    And now the DM is getting rather unfortunate quotes from his mum. It's all getting somewhat out of hand...
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    He's a member of the union, for instance. The union hasn't been implicated in this because this behaviour had nothing to do with them.

    I'm not sure the bold is obvious at all, and that's rather the point. He was certainly involved in CUCA; that doesn't implicate that organisation in his choosing to do this.
    That's not what I was arguing. I'm not sure whether by "the union" you mean the CUS or CUSU. I thought CUSU membership was compulsory and in any case it's a student union. The CUS is for people interested in participating in and attending debates. CUCA is different. It's for people who share OPINIONS, who support a political party.

    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    The chairman repudiates the behaviour and reinforces this by removing the guy from his society.
    He had no choice. And he is also surely intelligent enough to know that getting caught showing this kind of attitude in public is damaging to his organisation.

    Do you think that Coyne's class hatred hadn't previously reared its head?
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    (Original post by jneill)
    He could be rusticated.

    Anyway I also don't want this going over the top. He did a very stupid thing and (hopefully) is now mortified by what he did.

    And now the DM is getting rather unfortunate quotes from his mum. It's all getting somewhat out of hand...
    That would seem appropriate imo. Its not a nothing, it shows quite a nasty streak and it brings much negative publicity to the uni. It would be weak if they left it at just a sorry. I didnt actually read the full DM article so you are ahead of me.
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    (Original post by Maria ZT)
    The CUS is for people interested in participating in and attending debates. CUCA is different. It's for people who share OPINIONS, who support a political party.
    What on earth is your point?


    He had no choice. And he is also surely intelligent enough to know that getting caught showing this kind of attitude in public is damaging to his organisation.

    Do you think that Coyne's class hatred hadn't previously reared its head?
    Well quite. As pointed out above, the fact that people will make that connection doesn't mean it's a logical one to make.

    I'm not going to get into discussions about 'class hatred'. You're just being silly now.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    That would seem appropriate imo. Its not a nothing, it shows quite a nasty streak and it brings much negative publicity to the uni. It would be weak if they left it at just a sorry. I didnt actually read the full DM article so you are ahead of me.
    Yes I agree there will be more than a small fine by the college/university.
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    (Original post by Maria ZT)
    They accepted someone with his attitudes.
    They accepted someone who paid a membership fee and signed a statement saying that he agreed with the party's aims.

    The CUCA didn't sign a statement to say that it agreed with his values and it is improbable that he dropped into casual conversation at Freshers' Fair or wherever "I really like rubbing the noses of the homeless into it"
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Yes I agree there will be more than a small fine by the college/university.
    It will be rustication or some form of suspended sentence. It wouldn't surprise me if he isn't presented with a choice between rustication and and the Cyrenians.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    It will be rustication or some form of suspended sentence. It wouldn't surprise me if he isn't presented with a choice between rustication and and the Cyrenians.
    According to his mum he's volunteered at his local homeless scheme previously so the Cyrenians would be an "easy" option.
 
 
 
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