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    (Original post by Mordecai on High)
    A better approach, instead of public humiliation and destruction of his name, might have been for his director of studies or tutor to induce him into partaking in some community work - which would at least actually help someone.
    Do you know that has not happened?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    I hear they are good for sorting one's coke out.
    yes a handful of fivers and some twigs will make even damp coke burn merrily.

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/5KfWMs-VjFE/hqdefault.jpg
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    (Original post by Reality Check)
    But in the real world that just looks like window-dressing. A hurried plan centred on damage limitation and for public consumption, put together in a smoke-filled room. The disingenuousness and 'stunt' nature of it would actually increase this child's suffering (not that I have a problem with that). You forget that people aren't entirely stupid.
    He is an 18 year old student who made a stupid mistake deemed contrary to social standards whilst drunk, but did not break the law nor really cause harm to anyone - what do you want, blood?

    My contention is simply that the public recriminations and abuse against him will have far greater consequences than his act merited.
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    (Original post by Mimikyu)
    IT DID HARM SOMEONE.

    Or do you not consider the emotional trauma of the homeless person worth a man's career and future prospects? Because I sure as hell do. I think the emotional trauma of this man and the homeless community he is a part of is worth that and more!
    You can consider more than one thing at the same time.

    This kid has (quite rightly) suffered an extreme social penalty for this, and will be punished by his college too.

    People who seem to think it is desirable that this information will follow him around for the rest of time in addition are getting a little carried away.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Do you know that has not happened?
    Do I know that has not happened, "instead of public humiliation and destruction of his name"? Yes, that seems clear...
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    It's in the Mail.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ss-person.html

    Surely that's a 'quality' newspaper?
    It certainly is.

    The Daily Mail is the most influential newspaper in Fleet Street, with the most read online news site on the planet, and this story is a perfect example of why.

    They have covered it excellently, with great quotes from the mother and telling pictures to demonstrate his awfulness.

    Great journalism. The Guardian and the Times have been left trailing behind in the dust.
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    (Original post by Mordecai on High)
    ... what do you want, blood?

    My contention is simply that the public recriminations and abuse against him will have far greater consequences than his act merited.
    the comments section on here:

    http://evolvepolitics.com/shameless-...meless-person/

    are advocating extreme violence for this young man
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    (Original post by TimmonaPortella)
    You can consider more than one thing at the same time.

    This kid has (quite rightly) suffered an extreme social penalty for this, and will be punished by his college too.

    People who seem to think it is desirable that this information will follow him around for the rest of time in addition are getting a little carried away.
    I believe a criminal record, and according to a lot of people in this thread what this young man has done is a crime, is what you are describing in your last sentence. Yes the crime would eventually be expunged from his record, but in the same way I believe society will forget his name.

    I do hope, however cruel it may be, that his name never becomes a household name though... Thankfully I don't think anyone in the public eye and in a position of real relevance would outlive a public act as horrendous as this.
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    (Original post by the bear)
    the comments section on here:

    http://evolvepolitics.com/shameless-...meless-person/

    are advocating extreme violence for this young man
    Let's make Britain Great again! Shoot this ******* now!!!!!
    Nah drag him through the streets slowly by his neck as ever ****er gets a chance to pelt the *******. Death is to good for him.

    This is the dangerous kind of vigilante justice that is inevitable from the public campaign of hatred and abuse against the individual in question.
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    (Original post by Mordecai on High)
    There is no scope for civil discourse once emotion prevails over logic.
    I can help you with logic once we've agreed some true premises. You said the act didn't "really" harm anyone.

    It is a fact, not an opinion, that s4a of the Public Order Act 1986 makes it a crime punishable by a maximum of six months' imprisonment to behave abusively towards someone as Coyne did, with intent of causing them harassment, distress or alarm.
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    (Original post by Mordecai on High)
    Do I know that has not happened, "instead of public humiliation and destruction of his name"? Yes, that seems clear...
    You said "A better approach, instead of public humiliation and destruction of his name, might have been for his director of studies or tutor to induce him into partaking in some community work - which would at least actually help someone.."

    That implies it should already have happened. Again, do you know it hasn't?
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    (Original post by lopterton)
    As far as I am aware, no British "quality" newspaper has yet covered this story. Why not? It has only been the tabloids and the local Cambridge press.
    Because it's not really national news, is it?
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    (Original post by lopterton)
    I can help you with logic once we've agreed some true premises. You said the act didn't "really" harm anyone.

    It is a fact, not an opinion, that s4a of the Public Order Act 1986 makes it a crime punishable by a maximum of six months' imprisonment to behave abusively towards someone as Coyne did, with intent of causing them harassment, distress or alarm.
    I stand by that, the limited information available does not imply that any crime was committed - included the one you quoted.

    I guess we will have to wait and see if he is prosecuted for it to see for sure.
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    (Original post by cbreef)
    I would just love to punch this guy straight in his smug face.
    It's wrong but I know the feeling
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    (Original post by jneill)
    You said "A better approach, instead of public humiliation and destruction of his name, might have been for his director of studies or tutor to induce him into partaking in some community work - which would at least actually help someone.."

    That implies it should already have happened. Again, do you know it hasn't?
    It is one possible permutation of events that might have taken place, instead of the permutation which has taken place.

    If not X - then Y

    But if X has occurred then Y is irrelevant.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    To Oxford.

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    Where he can burn money to all of the homeless people over there
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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    It certainly is.

    The Daily Mail is the most influential newspaper in Fleet Street, with the most read online news site on the planet, and this story is a perfect example of why.

    They have covered it excellently, with great quotes from the mother and telling pictures to demonstrate his awfulness.

    Great journalism. The Guardian and the Times have been left trailing behind in the dust.
    I'll just leave this here:
    "Wikipedia editors have said they will no longer accept links to Daily Mail stories to support citations because it is too unreliable."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7570856.html
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    (Original post by jneill)
    I'll just leave this here:
    "Wikipedia editors have said they will no longer accept links to Daily Mail stories to support citations because it is too unreliable."
    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7570856.html
    Yeah I saw that.

    A political decision that shames Wikipedia.

    They source Russia Today and say the DM is unreliable? Laughable.
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    (Original post by Mimikyu)
    IT DID HARM SOMEONE.

    Or do you not consider the emotional trauma of the homeless person worth a man's career and future prospects? Because I sure as hell do. I think the emotional trauma of this man and the homeless community he is a part of is worth that and more!
    I don't intend in any way to defend this bloke (who is clearly a ****, or who at the very least has been influenced by the arrogant attitudes and culture that pervade in some circles at the top unis). But I have no doubt whatsoever that the student will suffer disproportionately now that his name has been made public. And he will suffer more than the homeless guy as a result of this action.

    He will be totally socially ostracised, his parents are clearly furious (as they should be), everyone he knows will know about this, he won't be able to get employment in a large number of fields. The story will probably hound him for his entire life. It's quite bad enough without throwing him out of uni, imho. Better to do something more positive, like force him to work at a homeless shelter for the duration of his undergrad or something.
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    (Original post by Mimikyu)
    I believe a criminal record, and according to a lot of people in this thread what this young man has done is a crime, is what you are describing in your last sentence. Yes the crime would eventually be expunged from his record, but in the same way I believe society will forget his name.
    The ludicrously and offensively broad provisions of the Public Order Act notwithstanding, he hasn't been charged with a crime. What we are dealing with here is a severe case of being a **** whilst intoxicated.

    I will concede that it is possible that his actions reflect long-standing attitudes of contempt for those without the same level of advantage as he has, but it is possible that he just got carried away in the moment, and given the consequences he's already suffering at university he should surely be given the benefit of the doubt.

    That doesn't mean he should be let off the hook, just that maybe we needn't cheer the fact that a giddy, presumably intoxicated first year student has done something that will follow him around forever, thanks to google.
 
 
 
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