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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Perhaps the government will offer him an especially favourable trade deal in exchange for him shaving it off. :yy:
    That certainly is a cracking idea, one I think he'd go for!
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    (Original post by jape)
    Alright, I'll support it.
    As I've already stated, the TSR government has nowhere said they are cancelling the state visit, ergo it is happening in TSR land, ergo I am going to go and be unparliamentary and day that joecphillips is outright lying and they know it.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    As I've already stated, the TSR government has nowhere said they are cancelling the state visit, ergo it is happening in TSR land, ergo I am going to go and be unparliamentary and day that joecphillips is outright lying and they know it.

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    Does Aspie's statement in this thread not count as confirmation of a cancellation?
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    (Original post by jape)
    Does Aspie's statement in this thread not count as confirmation of a cancellation?
    I don't know if it was confirmation but they were speaking from their position which we can only assume means what that it is what the government believe, this might not have been the perfect motion but it would at least make it harder for them to cancel
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    I don't know if it was confirmation but they were speaking from their position which we can only assume means what that it is what the government believe, this might not have been the perfect motion but it would at least make it harder for them to cancel
    I think the House would appreciate some clarity on this issue. RayApparently
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    Nay. I recognise that it's impractical not to deal with America given their international relevance, but we don't need to and absolutely shouldn't be honouring a fascist who wishes to discriminate against many people we are elected to represent.
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    (Original post by jape)
    Does Aspie's statement in this thread not count as confirmation of a cancellation?
    There's been no statement, it's also not his call, it's the PM's on behalf of the Royal Court

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    Aye, if this actually fails it will be a shameful representation of Britain
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    As Foreign Secretary, this isn't happening. As I've said before, Trump is a racist misogynist and the government has no intention of pandering to such individuals.
    Maintaining diplomatic relationships is not pandering or condoning.
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    Maintaining diplomatic relationships is not pandering or condoning.
    Yes it is. Failure to condemn is implicit condonation.
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    I think the House would appreciate some clarity on this issue. RayApparently
    To clarify for the House:

    Some members will recall when asked about the effect Mr Trump's election would have on the 'special relationship' during PMQs I replied that "the United Kingdom has no greater friend, or closer ally than the United States of America" and that this would not change. But I do not believe that the solidarity between our nations or our ability to forge strong economic ties is dependant on how quickly the President is able to visit our beautiful capital. And given the controversy of his potentially visiting - the fact this motion was thought necessary is testament to that - I will not approve a state visit until further deliberation with colleagues. I am away for the weekend, and so it may take a few days for those deliberations to occur. As such, (in the MHoC) No.10 has discussed a potential visit with the White House, but not yet extended a formal invitation.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    As I've already stated, the TSR government has nowhere said they are cancelling the state visit, ergo it is happening in TSR land, ergo I am going to go and be unparliamentary and day that joecphillips is outright lying and they know it.

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    Thoughts on the above by the pm?
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    Nay. I recognise that it's impractical not to deal with America given their international relevance, but we don't need to and absolutely shouldn't be honouring a fascist who wishes to discriminate against many people we are elected to represent.
    I think actual victims of fascism would scoff at your remarks here.
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    We can just do that with him on twitter.
    Not physically we can't.
    I'm thinking John Prescott:giggle:
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    Aye. Although there is no issue with his visit at the moment it certainly can't hurt to have something in writing, especially if someone has already gone to the trouble of drafting the motion.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Thoughts on the above by the pm?
    Then the Prime Minister needs reminding that the government has not yet reversed the invitation

    (Original post by RayApparently)
    To clarify for the House:

    Some members will recall when asked about the effect Mr Trump's election would have on the 'special relationship' during PMQs I replied that "the United Kingdom has no greater friend, or closer ally than the United States of America" and that this would not change. But I do not believe that the solidarity between our nations or our ability to forge strong economic ties is dependant on how quickly the President is able to visit our beautiful capital. And given the controversy of his potentially visiting - the fact this motion was thought necessary is testament to that - I will not approve a state visit until further deliberation with colleagues. I am away for the weekend, and so it may take a few days for those deliberations to occur. As such, (in the MHoC) No.10 has discussed a potential visit with the White House, but not yet extended a formal invitation.
    Mirror is the first article that talked about what I wanted it to, so here we go: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...t-date-9784319

    You don't need to sanction a visit, Theresa May already did that for you 27/01/17, or can we expect a statement tonight from the government cancelling the visit until further notice?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    To clarify for the House:

    Some members will recall when asked about the effect Mr Trump's election would have on the 'special relationship' during PMQs I replied that "the United Kingdom has no greater friend, or closer ally than the United States of America" and that this would not change. But I do not believe that the solidarity between our nations or our ability to forge strong economic ties is dependant on how quickly the President is able to visit our beautiful capital. And given the controversy of his potentially visiting - the fact this motion was thought necessary is testament to that - I will not approve a state visit until further deliberation with colleagues. I am away for the weekend, and so it may take a few days for those deliberations to occur. As such, (in the MHoC) No.10 has discussed a potential visit with the White House, but not yet extended a formal invitation.
    To account for my earlier comments, I should add that as Foreign Secretary I was present for the later part of this discussion but was misled into thinking the visit had already been confirmed to be going ahead by President Trump's repeated interjections that the UK was 'the greatest country in Europe' and that if he was a UK politician he would win a landslide victory because he, Mr Brexit, was a winner whose UK support, despite the fake news mainstream media coverage, was 'yuuuuge, really, really great, we're talking bigly here, folks'.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    To account for my earlier comments, I should add that as Foreign Secretary I was present for the later part of this discussion but was misled into thinking the visit had already been confirmed to be going ahead by President Trump's repeated interjections that the UK was 'the greatest country in Europe' and that if he was a UK politician he would win a landslide victory because he, Mr Brexit, was a winner whose UK support, despite the fake news mainstream media coverage, was 'yuuuuge, really, really great, we're talking bigly here, folks'.
    Are you accusing literally every credible news outlet in the country of spewing fake news?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Are you accusing literally every credible news outlet in the country of spewing fake news?
    As I see it, the canon thing only applies to actual legislation passed irl and not to actions of the rl government, so while Trump still wants a state visit to our hypothetical country, the invitation is non-existent.
 
 
 
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