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    The welfare state needs abolishing:

    1. It has led to a system of entrapment where people become reliant on it
    2. Mothers and fathers abuse it to avoid being responsible for their kids
    3. It does not support the right mindset of working hard to be rewarded

    On top of that, our societies are made up of communities. Our communities are made up of families. It is important to remember that if there's issues in families then the communities and societies are likely to also show problems.

    It is not good that fathers leave the mother to look after the children because he knows the state will pick up the bill, which is funded by other taxpayers in the country, many of whom do not even have children of their own due to not being in a financial position to do so. These are responsible people being punished.

    We must move towards a more traditional model where families pull together, and the responsibility is put back on the individuals and families, not on the state or other people. Responsible individuals and families make up responsible communities.
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    (Original post by littlesnowflake)
    The welfare state needs abolishing:

    1. It has led to a system of entrapment where people become reliant on it
    2. Mothers and fathers abuse it to avoid being responsible for their kids
    3. It does not support the right mindset of working hard to be rewarded

    On top of that, our societies are made up of communities. Our communities are made up of families. It is important to remember that if there's issues in families then the communities and societies are likely to also show problems.

    It is not good that fathers leave the mother to look after the children because he knows the state will pick up the bill, which is funded by other taxpayers in the country, many of whom do not even have children of their own due to not being in a financial position to do so. These are responsible people being punished.

    We must move towards a more traditional model where families pull together, and the responsibility is put back on the individuals and families, not on the state or other people. Responsible individuals and families make up responsible communities.
    Terrible idea, there are enough homeless people as it is. Plus those who abuse the system are statistically a minority anyway
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    (Original post by AngryRedhead)
    Terrible idea, there are enough homeless people as it is. Plus those who abuse the system are statistically a minority anyway
    It's not just about abuse, it is the entire system. It has created a culture of dependency and entrapment. This is exactly what the Labour Party want because they are certified voters who won't vote against the hand that feeds. The reality is, these people then have children and the mindset of the government (other taxpayers) being the provider is ingrained in these children from a young age. It is really bad.

    Homelessness is caused due to our fractured society, which comes from people not pulling together, caring for their fellow human being and showing compassion. Who needs to be in a collective mindset when you can just get money from the dole office? You don't need anyone else so instantly you only care about the government and it giving you your money when its time.

    Welfare is contributing to mass division in our society and is like the financial drip keeping everyone ill in the hospital. To truly be healthy, families need to free themselves from the drip and work together, not be trapped on life support waiting for the next dose.
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    (Original post by littlesnowflake)
    The welfare state needs abolishing:

    1. It has led to a system of entrapment where people become reliant on it
    2. Mothers and fathers abuse it to avoid being responsible for their kids
    3. It does not support the right mindset of working hard to be rewarded

    On top of that, our societies are made up of communities. Our communities are made up of families. It is important to remember that if there's issues in families then the communities and societies are likely to also show problems.

    It is not good that fathers leave the mother to look after the children because he knows the state will pick up the bill, which is funded by other taxpayers in the country, many of whom do not even have children of their own due to not being in a financial position to do so. These are responsible people being punished.

    We must move towards a more traditional model where families pull together, and the responsibility is put back on the individuals and families, not on the state or other people. Responsible individuals and families make up responsible communities.
    Go live in Dubai
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    (Original post by GradeA*UnderA)
    Go live in Dubai
    That's where I live now. It's great out here but they should use the same system in the UK.
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    Here's the 2010 Democracy Index rankings for most responsible government:

    1. Norway (9.80)
    2. Iceland (9.65)
    3. Denmark (9.52)
    4. Sweden (9.50)
    5. New Zealand (9.26)
    6. Australia (9.22)
    7. Finland (9.19)
    8. Switzerland (9.09)
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    10. Netherlands (8.99)


    All welfare states.

    I don't believe that the system itself causes dependency, it's how we manage it. Reform the benefits system and scrap the minimum wage.

    P.S. I'm a minarchist.
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    Welfare state and closed borders is possible but leftists want both open borders and a welfare state which is simply unsustainable.
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    (Original post by TrueDetective01)
    Welfare state and closed borders is possible but leftists want both open borders and a welfare state which is simply unsustainable.
    i want open borders for working professionals and students but no welfare state.

    i'd rather hard working immigrants than lazy brits in the country.
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    The welfare state shouldn't be abolished. However, it should have a stigma attached to it. Their should be full employment. Tories don't like full employment.
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    The welfare state shouldn't be abolished. However, it should have a stigma attached to it. Their should be full employment. Tories don't like full employment.
    It should be abolished.
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    (Original post by littlesnowflake)
    It should be abolished.
    It shouldn't be abolished. What happens if the Great Depression happens again. People will suffer until there is a war. There would be mass unemployment, and the means tests would be reintroduced
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    It shouldn't be abolished. What happens if the Great Depression happens again. People will suffer until there is a war. There would be mass unemployment, and the means tests would be reintroduced
    People should save for a rainy day and be fiscally responsible.
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    (Original post by littlesnowflake)
    People should save for a rainy day and be fiscally responsible.
    If people don't spend money it would be detrimental to businesses. The economy won't grow. Businesses will shut.
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    If people don't spend money it would be detrimental to businesses. The economy won't grow. Businesses will shut.
    You can spend some money and save some money.
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    (Original post by littlesnowflake)
    You can spend some money and save some money.
    What about poorer people? Some people have just enough money to survive. If they lose their job and there is no benefits, their future would not look good.
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    What about poorer people? Some people have just enough money to survive. If they lose their job and there is no benefits, their future would not look good.
    They should ask for help from richer family members.
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    (Original post by littlesnowflake)
    They should ask for help from richer family members.
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    aye
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    I quite like the idea of a universal basic income to replace welfare payments; that is in the negative income tax model.

    The idea behind it is that if you earn below a certain amount, rather than paying income tax, the state pays you as a kind of top up on low incomes, the money from this would come from reallocation after JSA is abolished.

    It's a really good idea that incentivises low payed jobs and tackles poverty while simultaneously removing the dependency culture and the opportunities to exploit the system.

    They've introduced it in India recently.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_income_tax
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    The vast majority of benefits claimed are in-work benefits. Why would we scrap an entire Welfare system that benefits so many just to target a small minority who abuse it?
 
 
 
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