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    Everyone is advocating for gender equality nowadays, but is it really the best option for society?
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    (Original post by Jacklicy)
    Everyone is advocating for gender equality nowadays, but is it really the best option for society?
    Yes, I think it's the best option.

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    I'm not sure i understand your title.

    Equity is the quality of being impartial and fair. It is a crucial ingredient of equality and vice versa. Without equity you cannot have equality and without equality you cannot have equity.
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    Equal opportunity, not equal outcome. No discrimination, no special treatment for men or women. Both genders should be equal under the law and in every aspect of it.

    There is no 23% pay disparity for the same work, but there is a 60% sentencing disparity for the same crimes. Feminists don't like to talk about that one, though.
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    Is this a real question?
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    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    Equal opportunity, not equal outcome. No discrimination, no special treatment for men or women. Both genders should be equal under the law and in every aspect of it.
    +1

    This here is the definition of equality according to egalitarianism, logic and common sense.

    This definition, however, is not agreeable with feminism. In feminism equality is treating everyone the same..... (equality a la communism).
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    (Original post by CookieButter)
    I'm not sure i understand your title.

    Equity is the quality of being impartial and fair. It is a crucial ingredient of equality and vice versa. Without equity you cannot have equality and without equality you cannot have equity.
    I think you can have equity without equality.

    For example, two people working for the same employer might earn different amounts of money (which is inequality), but it might be perfectly fair, because one is better at the job than the other.
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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    I think you can have equity without equality.

    For example, two people working for the same employer might earn different amounts of money (which is inequality), but it might be perfectly fair, because one is better at the job than the other.
    If you define equality as a quality that involves treating people the same way than you would be right, but equality is not treating people the same way. Equality is treating people fairly so you cannot have it without equity.

    People earning different amounts of money from the same employer, is not inequality if they are working at different grades or doing different jobs or working different amounts of hours. Them earning the same amount of money when they are different would be inequality.

    Communism defines equality as treating everyone the same. Communism's equality is equality based on outcome as apposed to equity. In communism A person who works hard winds up earning the same as someone who doesn't. That is not equality. That is inequality. Treating people the same when they are not is inequality. One flaw with feminism is that according to feminism equality is treating everyone the same way. If 80% of applicants to a company are men and 20% are women, in feminism, that company should give 50% of its jobs to men and 50% to the women. Is it fair to give 50% of jobs to women when 80% of applicants are men? this definition of equality results in people being treated unfairly and unfair treatment contradicts equality. It is the opposite of equality.
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    (Original post by CookieButter)
    If you define equality as a quality that involves treating people the same way than you would be right, but equality is not treating people the same way. Equality is treating people fairly so you cannot have it without equity.

    People earning different amounts of money from the same employer, is not inequality if they are working at different grades or doing different jobs or working different amounts of hours. Them earning the same amount of money when they are different would be inequality.

    Communism defines equality as treating everyone the same. Communism's equality is equality based on outcome as apposed to equity. In communism A person who works hard winds up earning the same as someone who doesn't. That is not equality. That is inequality. Treating people the same when they are not is inequality. One flaw with feminism is that according to feminism equality is treating everyone the same way. If 80% of applicants to a company are men and 20% are women, in feminism, that company should give 50% of its jobs to men and 50% to the women. Is it fair to give 50% of jobs to women when 80% of applicants are men? this definition of equality results in people being treated unfairly and unfair treatment contradicts equality. It is the opposite of equality.
    Just depends on how you define equality reallly then.

    It poses a problem for the brand of feminism that claims "we just advocate equality for men and women", as though it's a no-brainer that this is a good thing. Not all forms of equality are fair or equitable though.
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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    Just depends on how you define equality reallly then.

    It poses a problem for the brand of feminism that claims "we just advocate equality for men and women", as though it's a no-brainer that this is a good thing. Not all forms of equality are fair or equitable though.
    Indeed.

    Herein lies their problem. You often hear feminists say well we are fighting for equality. What's the problem with that? Feminism, the problem is that we do not believe in the same definition for equality and your definition of equality is flawed.
 
 
 
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