The verse you cite to "disprove" the verses I quoted comes from earlier on in the Qu'ran and thus is invalid by your own theological standards(Original post by Query22)
I'm a Sunni so I don't believe in Taqqiya. Anyway I will put those verses you referenced in a spoiler.
They wish that you reject faith, as they have rejected, and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Awliya' from them, till they emigrate in the way of Allah. But if they turn back, take (hold of) them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Awliya' nor helpers from them. 90. Except those who join a group, between you and whom there is a treaty (of peace), or those who approach you with their breasts restraining from fighting you as well as fighting their own people. Had Allah willed, indeed He would have given them power over you, and they would have fought you. So, if they withdraw from you, and fight not against you, and offer you peace, then Allah has made no way for you against them.
The part in bold explain why they were to be killed. Some people accepted Islam but secretly supported the enemy. These people knew that if they supported Islam, they would not be killed so they can do the dirty work of the enemy and try and create trouble with the Muslims. Read the tafsir of Ibn Kathir - this is where I you can get the context from. If these people are found out, they are given the option to "emigrate" first, if they refused then they are killed.
But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. (11) And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist. (12)
The same principle applies here as above so it's self-explanatory. Maybe actually read what you reference? Which ex-muslim do you know has broken a peace-treaty?
Why not take a look at verse 2:256?
256. There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the right path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allah is All-Hearer, All-Knower.
Turn on thread page Beta
Undercover Atheists watch
- 11-04-2017 10:56
- 11-04-2017 11:12
- 11-04-2017 12:28
Also, I already explained the verses you quoted. Did you read it??Last edited by Query22; 11-04-2017 at 12:38.
(Original post by emerald7770)
- 11-04-2017 15:09
Lol. If you blame the whole religion then you're just idiotic. I have the read the Quran and I think you might be reading some demonic crap because the holy Quran I know, isn't filled with hatred. Did you research why Muhammad (saw) married a little girl? I was shocked at first but did my own research
(Original post by emerald7770)
- 12-04-2017 09:33
If your parents were to kill you then it's your parents problem. You're stupid for blaming the whole religion for something your parents would do. What stupid reasons for leaving Islam.
- 19-04-2017 22:28
I think your quite pathetic for persuading your sister that you shouldn't belive in islam, atleast have the guts to tell your parents and dont betray your parents by persuading your little sister who is probably heavily influenced by what your saying.