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(Original post by Heather_the_nun)
He hasnt repaid his debt to society!! This man is a serious danger to women!!
Hes been raping women since 1973... again and again and again, ruining god knows how many lives along the way.
Giving him the cash just means that when hes next out, he can rape again and again... mabe get caught, then run off somewhere sharpish (ie another country) and carry on doing it.
He deserves a slow and painful death, let alone a lottery ticket!!

I think the money should be given to a rape charity or something

Thats my opinion anyway
I disagree. He's nearly completed his sentence thus "justice" has been done, according to whoever was judge at the trial. Why should he have to give his money away! And besides, I would say that the fact he's now a millionaire means he can buy his sex and doesn't have to resort to rape. If anything, in my opinion, he'd be more likely to rape again if they made him give up all his money.

Hell why don't we just take all the money off anyone who's ever been to prison?! They don't deserve anything after all. :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
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I disagree. He's nearly completed his sentence thus "justice" has been done, according to whoever was judge at the trial. Why should he have to give his money away! And besides, I would say that the fact he's now a millionaire means he can buy his sex and doesn't have to resort to rape. If anything, in my opinion, he'd be more likely to rape again if they made him give up all his money.
People dont' always resort to rape because they're not getting any. It is a violent act with a sexual motive, not the other way round. If he wasn't gettting any he could have sought escorts/prostitutes before raping anyway.
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(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
People dont' always resort to rape because they're not getting any. It is a violent act with a sexual motive, not the other way round. If he wasn't gettting any he could have sought escorts/prostitutes before raping anyway.
I agree most rapist seem to comit their crimes because they want to feel power over the victim it is a power thing rather that a sexual frustration thing in the case of most serial rapists at least.
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People dont' always resort to rape because they're not getting any. It is a violent act with a sexual motive, not the other way round. If he wasn't gettting any he could have sought escorts/prostitutes before raping anyway.
I suppose that is true, though I don't know this man's financial situation before. I still believe a windfall like that would have a positive effect on a person in this scenario and taking it away would only serve to make him even more bitter.
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(Original post by Gimp)
I suppose that is true, though I don't know this man's financial situation before.
Prostitutes cost from about £10 onwards, escorts more expensive but safer, around £75+. So would you rather spend say £200 and be fine and not contract any STIs or risk the possibility of getting locked up for 8 years + for rape? There si always a chance that your victim will kill herself too. So you may end up getting done for murder there.
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(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
Prostitutes cost from about £10 onwards, escorts more expensive but safer, around £75+. So would you rather spend say £200 and be fine and not contract any STIs or risk the possibility of getting locked up for 8 years + for rape? There si always a chance that your victim will kill herself too. So you may end up getting done for murder there.
Would you get done for murder :confused: Surely that can't be right. She killed herself in that case and no matter what drove her to do it it was ultimately her decision.
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(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
Prostitutes cost from about £10 onwards, escorts more expensive but safer, around £75+. So would you rather spend say £200 and be fine and not contract any STIs or risk the possibility of getting locked up for 8 years + for rape? There si always a chance that your victim will kill herself too. So you may end up getting done for murder there.
I already conceded to your point! My main point in that last post was taking away his winnings, in my eyes, would increase the chance of reoffending. Obviously I have no statistics to back this up with though
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(Original post by randdom)
Would you get done for murder :confused: Surely that can't be right. She killed herself in that case and no matter what drove her to do it it was ultimately her decision.
If she kills herself because she's become so affected by the rape then you will be liable. You started off the events, so will pay for the outcome. It's all about causation. There have been mentionings by the courts of a stupidity estoppel as I call it to break the chain of causation but it has not really worked. You take your victim as you find them.
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(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
If she kills herself because she's become so affected by the rape then you will be liable. You started off the events, so will pay for the outcome. It's all about causation. There have been mentionings by the courts of a stupidity estoppel as I call it to break the chain of causation but it has not really worked. You take your victim as you find them.
I don't agree with that at all. I think that if you rape someone you should be punished for rape. If they choose to kill themselves sad as it may be the rapist didn't kill them so therefore I don't think that a murder conviction is fair.
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My main point in that last post was taking away his winnings, in my eyes, would increase the chance of reoffending.
Not only that but it might turn him nasty again and commit other crimes prehaps in a fit of rage. He's going to be released soon. Do we really want this? No.
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(Original post by NDGAARONDI)
Not only that but it might turn him nasty again and commit other crimes prehaps in a fit of rage. He's going to be released soon. Do we really want this? No.
He won it fair and square and weather people like it or not he is a millionaire
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I don't agree with that at all. I think that if you rape someone you should be punished for rape. If they choose to kill themselves sad as it may be the rapist didn't kill them so therefore I don't think that a murder conviction is fair.
It's the law.

Here's some information relating to this. It's a bit basic but anyoen can read it really - http://www.lawteacher.net/Criminal/H...de%20Intro.htm
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He won it fair and square and weather people like it or not he is a millionaire
I know. We hold the same opinion with respect to the winnings.
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(Original post by randdom)
He won it fair and square and weather people like it or not he is a millionaire
Not that I'm attacking just you , but all of you who share this opinion - are you mad? There should be no law protecting him and his money, he broke the law - he doesn't care about the law!
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Not that I'm attacking just you , but all of you who share this opinion - are you mad? There should be no law protecting him and his money, he broke the law - he doesn't care about the law!
Should all convicted rapists lose all their property?

That is akin to what you are advocating.

Just because he has been convicted, he has not lost all his rights.

His right to freedom has been taken away from him.
His right to own money/property has not.

His right not to have his legs boiled away in oil is still intact, and I doubt anyone would seriously suggest that that right should be revoked?
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Not that I'm attacking just you , but all of you who share this opinion - are you mad? There should be no law protecting him and his money, he broke the law - he doesn't care about the law!
I'm sure you have broken the law yourself, whether civil or criminal, large or small. The law is also there to protect offenders, he is a citizen of this country whether you like it or not.
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Should all convicted rapists lose all their property?

That is akin to what you are advocating.

Just because he has been convicted, he has not lost all his rights.

His right to freedom has been taken away from him.
His right to own money/property has not.

His right not to have his legs boiled away in oil is still intact, and I doubt anyone would seriously suggest that that right should be revoked?
Property, um, everyone has personal property but the fact is he had done WRONG, and yet he'll be able to gloat and have a fantastic lifestyle whilst do-gooders struggle on.

It's not money/property - own what he likes but it is WRONG he should have a swish lifestyle which he hasn't earned. Sure, other lottery players haven't, but most aren't locked behind bars as they've done something wrong.
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I'm sure you have broken the law yourself, whether civil or criminal, large or small. The law is also there to protect offenders, he is a citizen of this country whether you like it or not.
Oh come on, say stealing a chocolate bar or underage drinking, it is very likely to send you to prison - why, because it is not seen as serious crime. He broke the law big style, so their should be no law to protect him.
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Oh come on, say stealing a chocolate bar or underage drinking, it is very likely to send you to prison - why, because it is not seen as serious crime. He broke the law big style, so their should be no law to protect him.
What are your views on those who kill then?
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Property, um, everyone has personal property but the fact is he had done WRONG, and yet he'll be able to gloat and have a fantastic lifestyle whilst do-gooders struggle on.

It's not money/property - own what he likes but it is WRONG he should have a swish lifestyle which he hasn't earned. Sure, other lottery players haven't, but most aren't locked behind bars as they've done something wrong.
Many would consider it wrong that anyone can have a swish lifestyle that they haven't earnt, crook or not.

That is the lottery for you. If you and a serial rapist both buy a ticket, then there is equal chance of you both matching 6 numbers. (13,983,816 to 1 if you want to be precise)

Say instead of the lottery, he was left a large inheritance of £7million. Would you feel the same way?
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