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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Give me an example of a political debate/position that is based solely on morality.
    whether or not we remain in the EU.

    Rather than being pedantic and dodging the point why don't you just answer my question? How is society better off by giving long prison sentences out?
    because some people deserve it? you're so fixed on the view that justice is merely deterrence-based. I really can't see how it is.
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    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    Yes in this situation you are. Anyway the thread is about convicted paedophilic scum. Are going to defend someone who's actually raped a kid? Or enables it by looking at child porn? - it's a simple yes or no answer.
    If you look back at the second link in my last post (the ECHR) you'll find, under article 6, that everybody is due a fair trial. Part of having a fair trial is having competent legal representation. I don't practice criminal law but if I did then yes, I'd represent someone who has raped a child. If capital punishment was brought back then I think I'd have to retrain and start practicing criminal law, there's no way I could rest easily knowing people are being killed and it's within my power to stop it.

    (Original post by MeYou2Night)
    I don't believe they have the right to life so Article 2 is wrong on my opinion.

    Article 3 is redeudant as putting a bullet on the back of their head isn't torture.
    Regardless of what you think human rights are in everyone's best interest and, at least for now, they're here to stay. So long as the HRA 1998 remains enforced the death penalty isn't a possibility. However if you'd like to live in a country with a more flexible approach to human rights there are several that you could move to; I'd recommend starting in the Middle East, particularly Iran and Saudi Arabia. There are also a host of countries in Africa that view human rights as suggestions rather rules so that might be worth consideration (although perhaps not if you're white). It amazes me how people are so keen for the government to start tearing down human rights, has history taught people nothing?

    By any objective measure using humans as 'target practice' and essentially encouraging soldiers to prolong their death by telling them to imagine it was their child who was abused is torture. You're also not seeing the paradox; the army, the very people who are supposed to protect the people of this country, would be killing the people of this country. It's about as ridiculous as someone training as a doctor and then killing people...
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    (Original post by Socrates2017)
    whether or not we remain in the EU.
    1. That's not a debate, we're leaving the EU
    2. You think that was entirely about morality? It had nothing to do with economic factors?

    (Original post by Socrates2017)
    because some people deserve it? you're so fixed on the view that justice is merely deterrence-based. I really can't see how it is.
    You still haven't explained about society is better off. Of course dangerous people should be held in seclusion until we can be sure they pose no further threat to society but there's not benefit to incarcerating a person even a single day beyond that. What makes a lot more sense is to rehabilitate people and release them back into society so that they can make a positive contribution. To go back to your earlier point where you were talking about balancing a scale, that is the very definition of it. Someone damages society by committing a wrong and then balances that out by doing something positive.
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    Out of curiosity, how many of those opposed to the execution of child rapists support abortion?
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    Out of curiosity, how many of those opposed to the execution of child rapists support abortion?
    Don't try and compare the two, they are not the same


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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    Don't try and compare the two, they are not the same


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    Correct they're not the same.

    Victims of abortion are innocent of any wrong doing while child rapists are worthless scum guilty of one of the worst crimes imaginable.

    Now, why don't you answer the question?
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    Correct they're not the same.

    Victims of abortion are innocent of any wrong doing while child rapists are worthless scum guilty of one of the worst crimes imaginable.

    Now, why don't you answer the question?
    'Victims' of abortion are not legal humans, they have fewer rights than even companies and most animals.

    In answer to your question I don't really agree with abortion. Just like capital punishment, I'm yet to hear a sensible reason in favour of abortion however there also isn't really a reason against it thus it should be and is legal.
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    (Original post by Underscore__)
    'Victims' of abortion are not legal humans, they have fewer rights than even companies and most animals.

    In answer to your question I don't really agree with abortion. Just like capital punishment, I'm yet to hear a sensible reason in favour of abortion however there also isn't really a reason against it thus it should be and is legal.
    Not legal humans?

    When in your opinion do they become legal humans?
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    (Original post by joe cooley)
    Not legal humans?

    When in your opinion do they become legal humans?
    When the umbilical chord is cut. That isn't an opinion, it's a fact
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    No

    I think in a sense paedophilia is the same as homosexuality people are born that way they can't help the way they feel. Obviously it goes without saying that it's still massively different from homosexuality the difference being homosexuality doesn't harm anyone else if two consenting adults want to **** each other no one has the right to stop them and obviously it's never going to be ok for paedophiles to act on their urges.

    I think the attitude towards stopping peadophiles needs to change. I support far stronger punishments for those convicted of molesting children I would introduce mandatory chemical castration (I.e stops them from being able to become aroused) for offenders along with a prison sentence. For someone who offends again after being caught or someone who has molested multiple children then physical castration should be performed (surgically performed not in some Saudi Arabia style public torture show) along with an even longer prison sentence.

    I think however there needs to be a shift in attitude towards paedophiles who haven't acted on their urges they need to receive far better mental health help and councelling I'm not exactly sure what that would involve but it should be obvious that if they continue to be dehumanised and abused regardless they aren't going to seek help, it's just going to drive them out of society and make them more likely to act on their urges.

    In addition the law should take a more common sense approach there are 19 year old guys on the sex offenders register for having sex with their 15 year old girlfriend whilst they were 16/17 that clearly shouldn't be the case, we should be able to rely on judges to adapt to each situation and use their brain.

    I do support the death penalty, however I would only use it in the most extreme of cases i.e. High Treason, Extreme Torture, Mass Murder, Genocide, War Crimes but not like the US way of doing things people have been executed using very flimsy evidence over there I would only do it if their guilt was in no doubt whatsoever people like al Baghdadi, Anders Behring Breivik, Pablo Escobar etc... no one can doubt their guilt whatsoever so if you need such clear evidence then innocent people arent going to be executed.
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    (Original post by Shabalala)

    I do support the death penalty, however I would only use it in the most extreme of cases i.e. High Treason, Extreme Torture, Mass Murder, Genocide, War Crimes but not like the US way of doing things people have been executed using very flimsy evidence over there I would only do it if their guilt was in no doubt whatsoever people like al Baghdadi, Anders Behring Breivik, Pablo Escobar etc... no one can doubt their guilt whatsoever so if you need such clear evidence then innocent people arent going to be executed.
    Not this again, there is no way you could possibly know some has committed a crime and have no doubt at all. If you want to reintroduce the death penalty but increase the standard of proof to 'beyond all doubt' you won't be using the death penalty at all


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    yes. only if they're convicted though.
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    (Original post by Dandaman1)
    No, they should receive psychiatric help.

    Most pedophiles don't want the urges they have and they hate what they are. Many end up commiting suicide. Granted, the ones who act on their urges should be imprisoned, but they're still sick.
    I saw a case in the US of one that was neutered
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    (Original post by Mythirdleg)
    I saw a case in the US of one that was neutered
    I assume you mean chemical "castration" - basically it's drugs to reduce sexual arousal. It's usually optional for convicted offenders, though it can get them reduced sentences.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    I assume you mean chemical "castration" - basically it's drugs to reduce sexual arousal. It's usually optional for convicted offenders, though it can get them reduced sentences.
    Yep that's what I meant
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    no- unless they actually kill a child.
    otherwise- why would they bother leaving their victims alive? wouldn't snuffing them out be more convenient?
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    Convicted, confirmed, no chance of error paedophiles, yes.
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    (Original post by TribalUnity)
    I can't help but think paedophilia and homosexuality are both being exacerbated my militant feminism and cultural marxism. Traditional courtship rituals would remedy the ailing institution that is the white western marital unit.

    But the reality is anyway the real organised paedophile rings operate within the banks, the intel agencies and jewish organised crime. All this furore about a few asian gangs here or there is just a smokescreen. The elite politicians are the ones we need to be targeting. Why the **** aren't Prince Charles, Prince Andrew and Margaret Thatcher being grilled by police. Probably cos the Met themselves (Freemasons) are deeply involved in paedophilia as well.
    Well thatcher is dead perhaps you missed the state funeral 😂

    Also seek help your theory’s are delusional Adolf
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    We have moved passed the days of executing people for crimes. I don't believe any crime is worthy of the death penalty, I'd rather send them to a prison cell for the rest of their lives where they can contemplate their actions. The death penalty is the easy way out for a lot of criminals.
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    (Original post by TribalUnity)
    Blud I can try and find some sources for u if wan learn about establishment paedophilia/organised jewish crime.

    Best one of the top of my head Daryl Bradford Smith on Chabad Lubavitch/Satanism in the Kabbalah.
    Nah blud I wouldn’t waste my time reading your sources, I read mien kamph and that was enough
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