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    (Original post by fleky6910)

    No actually if you understood economics which on several occasions you have demonstrated you don't, you would realise why the babble you splurt out is complete nonsense, every single time I have dismantled your arguments with the facts yet you still go around making big statements. I am not rich , I am just clever , far smarter than you. You have not demonstrated for one second you know what your talking about. The left is loosing all around the world and will continue to do so. Capitalism is the better system which has lifted people out of poverty . I believe in equal opportunity , you believe in equal outcome., you would rather the poor were poorer provided the rich were less rich, that's a typical liberal policy, you don't create wealth and opportunity that way- Magaret Thatcher
    Why are you quoting Maggie?
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    (Original post by ChickenMadness)
    According to anti-corbyn propaganda there were mass joinings of people who wanted to vote against corbyn.
    Nope, I remember seeing it all as it happened. They wanted to install Corbyn to weaken opposition, you might be thinking of 2016? There probably was a large amount of anti-Corbyn joiners. YouGov polls put the support for Corbyn highest in new members and lowest in the older memberships. Had Labour installed a party constitution clause similar to the conservatives not allowing members to vote for 3 months from joining, you can bet the outcome would be a different story.
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    (Original post by Nirvana1989-1994)
    Why are you quoting Maggie?
    Because the quote is true for redmanc , he's a typical liberal by claiming I help the rich when that is not necessarily a bad thing.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)

    No actually if you understood economics which on several occasions you have demonstrated you don't, you would realise why the babble you splurt out is complete nonsense, every single time I have dismantled your arguments with the facts yet you still go around making big statements. I am not rich , I am just clever , far smarter than you. You have not demonstrated for one second you know what your talking about. The left is loosing all around the world and will continue to do so. Capitalism is the better system which has lifted people out of poverty . I believe in equal opportunity , you believe in equal outcome., you would rather the poor were poorer provided the rich were less rich, that's a typical liberal policy, you don't create wealth and opportunity that way- Magaret Thatcher
    How has capitalism made people rich. I look at Yorkshire and the north. There ain't any jobs. Thatcher killed industry. At least in 1976, people had jobs. In coal mining, in steel, and in the potteries. Look at Stoke, it has lost all of its industry.
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    How has capitalism made people rich. I look at Yorkshire and the north. There ain't any jobs. Thatcher killed industry. At least in 1976, people had jobs. In coal mining, in steel, and in the potteries. Look at Stoke, it has lost all of its industry.
    So ignore all the points and make random points. Living standards have risen . Harold Wilson closed down more mines. None of those jobs were sustainable and the industries were inefficient. You pick small examples which are wrong and have been proven wrong before. I ask you to dwell on those quotes.( including the one from Thatcher).
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    Nope, I remember seeing it all as it happened. They wanted to install Corbyn to weaken opposition, you might be thinking of 2016? There probably was a large amount of anti-Corbyn joiners. YouGov polls put the support for Corbyn highest in new members and lowest in the older memberships. Had Labour installed a party constitution clause similar to the conservatives not allowing members to vote for 3 months from joining, you can bet the outcome would be a different story.
    No, I remember all the anti-corbyn politicians tweeting/posting/saying in interviews that loads of people were joining to vote against corbyn to try and make it seem like he would lose lol.

    and ofcourse the YouGov polls showed the truth in hindsight.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    Because the quote is true for redmanc , he's a typical liberal by claiming I help the rich when that is not necessarily a bad thing.
    I'm not a liberal. You're a liberal. I hate liberalism. I'm a socialist.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    So ignore all the points and make random points. Living standards have risen . Harold Wilson closed down more mines. None of those jobs were sustainable and the industries were inefficient. You pick small examples which are wrong and have been proven wrong before. I ask you to dwell on those quotes.( including the one from Thatcher).
    They have risen for some. For the majority, they've slipped. 1976 was the best time to live.
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    (Original post by STEMisSuperior.)
    Your argument is very generic and it's no surprise given that you didnt have a clue about Corbyn's policies. Corbyn's main issue now is leftist MPs that are trying to sabotage brexit. This argument is about Corbyn and the only people causing an imbalance within labour is rebellious front seat labour MPs

    I do admit though that the future of labour will have to be some sort of neo conservative system under someone like Umunna.
    Enlighten me on why I and many others may not have a clue regarding many of his policies? You couldn't win with the first cabinet because it had blairites? Now you've taken out everyone with experience and put in lefties, they're not working and are too left wing? Oh god imagine such a crisis for a party in government. I think Corbyn he doesn't command the authority of the Labour Party, being the leader he's supposed to find common ground and unite people not mobilise them for his agenda.

    I have no issue with Umunna and whilst it may not be what you want it's a step in your direction, the electorate isn't going to change its ideology In a few years but under Blair (even as he went more right) the electorate actually became increasingly liberal/left wing and got the conservatives to heavily reform. Not only that but Umunna would work to protect the NHS, protect workers rights, oppose the government while in opposition, work to decrease poverty, etc. So it might not be as radical having a centrist labour but it will get (and has got) things done and doesn't give the tories a free ruling card.

    What's worse, adopting soft Tory policies or letting them rule and become increasingly right?
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    (Original post by ChickenMadness)
    No, I remember all the anti-corbyn politicians tweeting/posting/saying in interviews that loads of people were joining to vote against corbyn to try and make it seem like he would lose lol.

    and ofcourse the YouGov polls showed the truth in hindsight.
    Hm well if they did the data has shown otherwise, it might've seemed like it at the time but it certainly wasn't. Most of corbyns votes from were new members so there you go. In this case YouGov isn't polling for an election but rather analysising data of how people and why people voted which tends to be more accurate
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    They have risen for some. For the majority, they've slipped. 1976 was the best time to live.
    Evidence? Again another bold claim. Living standards have increased, in the UK. Capitalism in China and India have pulled people out of poverty. Look at Taiwan for example, they embraced capitalism , living standards increased massively there whereas Kenya refused and is still in misery. Again avoid my points and make more bold claims with no evidence, you aren't helping yourself.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12YDLZq8rT4
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    (Original post by zayn008)

    What's worse, adopting soft Tory policies or letting them rule and become increasingly right?
    Soft Tory polices are worse, I'd rather the tories rule and become increasingly right
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    I'm not a liberal. You're a liberal. I hate liberalism. I'm a socialist.
    Even more stupid then I taught
    I can live with Blairites but not the stupidity of Marxists!
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    Soft Tory polices are worse, I'd rather the tories rule and become increasingly right
    Really?… so you'd rather take 2 steps back instead of one step forward. This seems to be what most Corbynistas think, they're more opposed to blairites and moderates than they are to the tories lol pathetic really
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    Really?… so you'd rather take 2 steps back instead of one step forward. This seems to be what most Corbynistas think, they're more opposed to blairites and moderates than they are to the tories lol pathetic really
    I am a tory mate hence why I'd prefer toy rule. I'm on the front bench of the tsr tories
    Think you misunderstood me , rofl
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    I am a tory mate hence why I'd prefer toy rule. I'm on the front bench of the tsr tories
    Think you misunderstood me , rofl
    Ah you serve you on the shadow side I'm part of TSR labour
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    Ah you serve you on the shadow side I'm part of TSR labour
    Yeah
    Shadow business and industry , work and pensions minister , haha.
    Hence why I love corbyn being leader of the labour party.
    You thought I was genuine Corbyn supporter
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    Yeah
    Shadow business and industry , work and pensions minister , haha.
    Hence why I love corbyn being leader of the labour party.
    You thought I was genuine Corbyn supporter
    I thought you were a Corbyn supporter.
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    I thought you were a Corbyn supporter.
    For the leader of the labour party
    Not the country
 
 
 
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