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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    For the leader of the labour party
    Not the country
    I want Iain Duncan Smith to be the leader of the Conservatives when they are in opposition, which is going to be in 2025.
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    I want Iain Duncan Smith to be the leader of the Conservatives when they are in opposition, which is going to be in 2025.
    Lol , not going to happen.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    Lol , not going to happen.
    I know it won't. He has already been leader. Between 2001 and 2003.
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    I don't agree with his political views, but he seems like an honest politician, which is something of a rarity these days.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    Yeah
    Shadow business and industry , work and pensions minister , haha.
    Hence why I love corbyn being leader of the labour party.
    You thought I was genuine Corbyn supporter
    You both want the tories in power so im sure you can understand my confusion although one side is doing the better job at it, any other opposition and you'd be struggling to hold on! I quite like Theresa May, she's a great woman and I think she's up to the task of the laying the ground work for a greater Britain and well the alternative isnt much better… thank god she came along and not Boris.
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    (Original post by Lord Gaben)
    I don't agree with his political views, but he seems like an honest politician, which is something of a rarity these days.
    I can't believe people buy into his honesty crap. Anyone who brands themselves as honest for political points is the worst of the lot.
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    (Original post by zayn008)
    I can't believe people buy into his honesty crap. Anyone who brands themselves as honest for political points is the worst of the lot.
    It's not crap though. You just have to look at his political record, and you can see that he's been pretty consistent in his views, whether you agree with them or not.
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    The man is an utter utter clown and he and his supporters the most deluded people in this country. Unless something dramatic changes they're guaranteeing not just Tory government but overwhelming Tory majority.
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    (Original post by Lord Gaben)
    I don't agree with his political views, but he seems like an honest politician, which is something of a rarity these days.
    Honest? Did traingate pass you by or something? :erm::train:
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    (Original post by Lord Gaben)
    It's not crap though. You just have to look at his political record, and you can see that he's been pretty consistent in his views, whether you agree with them or not.
    Brexit?
    Whips?
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    From what I've seen of him, I strongly dislike him. I don't have a lot of sympathy for populism including economic populism. Corbyn's and the left's obsession with the distribution of income as opposed to absolute standards of living (whether people have good health, good nutrition, great education, etc) is something I will never understand. He's the antithesis of what I think social democratic politicians ought to be (Blair being a good example of what they ought to be - maybe he failed in foreign policy but was very good in domestic affairs). I'm not a social democrat at all but I respect centrist SDs as much as I respect my "own kind" (libertarians). Corbyn is an old fashioned socialist statist who will likely screw with whatever's left from the open, globalised market economy that Thatcher wanted to build in the UK (which is now dying as the UK withdraws from actual, gigantic free trade areas and imagines that the ultra-protectionist Trump is interested in any kind of actual free trade agreement).

    In short, very unfavourable. Too illiberal for my tastes.
    The EU isn't really a free trade area, more of a protectionist customs union. For many liberals, the EU is fundamentally illiberal for Britain's global ambitions, hence why so many advocated leaving and taking back control of our commercial policy.
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    I like him. Wouldn't want him as PM but don't think he will be elected. I don't think any challenger have a chance at the next election anyway. I think Corbyn is a breath of fresh air. It is nice to have an authentic politician with contrasting views to the government in opposition.
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    (Original post by midnightice)
    The EU isn't really a free trade area, more of a protectionist customs union. For many liberals, the EU is fundamentally illiberal for Britain's global ambitions, hence why so many advocated leaving and taking back control of our commercial policy.
    It is even better than a free trade area, it's a single market (in large part created thanks to Mrs Thatcher's outstanding leadership). To withdraw from it and claim that you'll have something remotely similar with a country whose president is the most protectionist president possibly in US history and is against any kind of free trade arrangement (let alone a single market arrangement) is ridiculous.

    Once that is recognised (namely that the Uk won't ever have free trade with the US), I hardly see Brexit as a step towards freer trade (let alone freer markets). To strike a free trade with Australia and give up a free market (again, not just in trade) with 28 other countries is not a step towards free trade.

    Also, there's a fantasy world in which the Brexiters are in any way in favour of free markets. I don't live in that world. I saw their campaigns and their arguments and at and the ones people regurgitated (and still are) aren't related to free trade but rather to economic populism and nationalism.
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    It is even better than a free trade area, it's a single market (in large part created thanks to Mrs Thatcher's outstanding leadership). To withdraw from it and claim that you'll have something remotely similar with a country whose president is the most protectionist president possibly in US history and is against any kind of free trade arrangement (let alone a single market arrangement) is ridiculous.

    Once that is recognised (namely that the Uk won't ever have free trade with the US), I hardly see Brexit as a step towards freer trade (let alone freer markets). To strike a free trade with Australia and give up a free market (again, not just in trade) with 28 other countries is not a step towards free trade.

    Also, there's a fantasy world in which the Brexiters are in any way in favour of free markets. I don't live in that world. I saw their campaigns and their arguments and at and the ones people regurgitated (and still are) aren't related to free trade but rather to economic populism and nationalism.
    Well I live in the world of Daniel Hannan and Douglas Carswell, so you could say I'm fairly ideological. Free trade does not need new regulatory measures akin to the single market if it works on mutual product recognition. Yes, the single market has been good but it is becoming increasingly redundant in light of the growing economies outside of it. EFTA arrangements would much more beneficial to us when well over 90% of economic growth in the next century will be outside the EU.

    Name me one Brexit campaigner that argued against globalisation.
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    (Original post by midnightice)
    Well I live in the world of Daniel Hannan and Douglas Carswell, so you could say I'm fairly ideological. Free trade does not need new regulatory measures akin to the single market if it works on mutual product recognition. Yes, the single market has been good but it is becoming increasingly redundant in light of the growing economies outside of it. EFTA arrangements would much more beneficial to us when well over 90% of economic growth in the next century will be outside the EU.

    Name me one Brexit campaigner that argued against globalisation.
    Define globalisation first. If your definition doesn't include free movement of people, capital and trade, it ain't globalisation. And if it does then everyone except maybe Hannan is against it among the Brexiters.

    Second, the so-called "growing" economies - which are they? African economies? nope. Mostly the authoritarian Chinese and the Indians. Who's to say the UK would be better off negotating alone rather as part of the single market? the idea that the UK being in the EU means it can't or won't negotiate a free trade arrangement is absurd. It has more bargaining power to do it in the EU rather than out. Also, the EU is the largest consumer market after the US. It is not a third world developing country with minimal consumption.

    Lastly, May won't have a FTA arrangement 'cos of Brexiters blind opposition to free movement.
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    (Original post by Lord Gaben)
    It's not crap though. You just have to look at his political record, and you can see that he's been pretty consistent in his views, whether you agree with them or not.
    Hmm... okay. EU referendum? Eurosceptic, took the side of remain but hasn't pushed or tried to work with the government for their interests. Had he campaigned for his own leave side he could've been in a better position today. What about the maximum wage? Announced it as policy and hours later removed it. He's been back and forth between immigration policy. The budget surplus? Was in favour then changed his mind… he's anything but consistent unless it comes to the IRA. David Cameron was quite a consistent guy doesn't mean he was a good person or politician. Hitler was also externely consistent whether you agree with him or not, should we give him a round of applause?
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    (Original post by ChickenMadness)
    So un-electable that no one can beat him in an election. Funny that.
    He is capable of winning a labour leadership election but labour need conservative votes to win
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      (Original post by Snufkin)
      Honest? Did traingate pass you by or something? :erm::train:
      That was glorious.
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      (Original post by RainbowMan)
      Define globalisation first. If your definition doesn't include free movement of people, capital and trade, it ain't globalisation. And if it does then everyone except maybe Hannan is against it among the Brexiters.

      Second, the so-called "growing" economies - which are they? African economies? nope. Mostly the authoritarian Chinese and the Indians. Who's to say the UK would be better off negotating alone rather as part of the single market? the idea that the UK being in the EU means it can't or won't negotiate a free trade arrangement is absurd. It has more bargaining power to do it in the EU rather than out. Also, the EU is the largest consumer market after the US. It is not a third world developing country with minimal consumption.

      Lastly, May won't have a FTA arrangement 'cos of Brexiters blind opposition to free movement.
      There isn't a single FTA in the world that also mandates free movement of people aside from the EEA. If I'm wrong, then give me an example. The notion that free trade and globalisation necessitates free movement of people is ludicrous. You would call places like Singapore and Hong Kong as hubs for globalisation and free trade yet they have full control over their immigration policies. An open door does not suddenly induce a quality of globalisation, rather a reason-based policy grounded on sensible numbers and skills can help bring about all of its benefits.

      I'm sure Iceland and Switzerland agree with the notion that you need to be part of a customs union to negotiate trade deals with China. The thing with customs unions is that agreements are held up by differing national interests. The EU doesn't have an agreement with Australia due to Italian pressure groups, CETA was held up by Bulgarian visa issues etc. It takes an incredibly long time to negotiate as part of the EU, so it makes perfect sense, as the 5th largest economy in the world with the best financial centre in the world, to negotiate them ourselves outside of the common commercial policy at a much faster rate. This is further supplemented by the sovereignty arguments that I'm sure you're aware of.

      The EU has only demanded free movement of people if we were to remain in the single market. We're not going to, hence why we want a comprehensive FTA. If they don't agree to one, then watch the Eurozone implode as barriers are erected to its most important export market. Digging their own grave.
     
     
     
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