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    The EU has caused untold misery to the citizens of: Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Italy, France and the UK. Should it die? I think it should.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...tle-for-europe
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    The EU has caused untold misery to the citizens of: Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Italy, France and the UK.
    Such as???


    Should it die? I think it should.
    No, but it has to purged of its 'progressive' elements but do to must all western governments. The institutions are generally perfectly serviceable it's the lack of political will and weaned if political leaders.

    Hopefully a new generation of continental leaders not shamed by the past will lead Europe to greatness but if they fail then the European project will and indeed should crumble.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Such as???




    No, but it has to purged of its 'progressive' elements but do to must all western governments. The institutions are generally perfectly serviceable it's the lack of political will and weaned if political leaders.

    Hopefully a new generation of continental leaders not shamed by the past will lead Europe to greatness but if they fail then the European project will and indeed should crumble.
    The documentary gives the examples
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Such as???




    No, but it has to purged of its 'progressive' elements but do to must all western governments. The institutions are generally perfectly serviceable it's the lack of political will and weaned if political leaders.

    Hopefully a new generation of continental leaders not shamed by the past will lead Europe to greatness but if they fail then the European project will and indeed should crumble.
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    The documentary gives the examples
    btw , I supported leave but davij038 has outclassed you. Saying watch the documentary is not a valid argument
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    The EU has caused untold misery to the citizens of: Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Italy, France and the UK. Should it die? I think it should.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...tle-for-europe
    The euro gave misery to greece , not the EU, they are different....
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    The EU has caused untold misery to the citizens of: Ireland, Greece, Portugal, Italy, France and the UK. Should it die? I think it should.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...tle-for-europe
    Well little Sheffielder, it wont be any of your concern soon. Maybe leave it up to the remaining members of the EU. I note that McClaren have just announced they are lopening a factory in Sheffield, great news. I wonder where some of the grants to fund the AMRC came from, sounds like torture.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    The euro gave misery to greece , not the EU, they are different....
    Again I disagree. Leaving the euro is not a panacea and would have caused huge economic problems. Greece has been mismanaged sure- but their own governments are far more to blame than the troika as bad as they are.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Again I disagree. Leaving the euro is not a panacea and would have caused huge economic problems. Greece has been mismanaged sure- but their own governments are far more to blame than the troika as bad as they are.
    They shouldn't have joined in the first place, their government was awful to be fair
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    The documentary gives the examples
    I'm not watching an hour long documentary.


    To expand on my earlier points- the EU isn't the problem it's 'progressive' politics which often uses the EU as a cloaking device- but the EU isn't the problem as evidence by the problem being throughout the western world.
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    No thanks. I want the EU to be successful. The problem is that it won't realise that times have changed and increasingly its member-states are not quite so amenable to being led around. I think in particular that Juncker is a malign influence on the EU and that his Commission really should be held to account for the abominable way they behaved during the UK's referendum process.

    More than anyone - David Cameron, Jeremy Corbyn, Nigel Farage or whatever - the Commission is to blame for that result. Juncker should've resigned in disgrace.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    They shouldn't have joined in the first place, their government was awful to be fair
    I have seen no evidence that Greece would have done any better ( in fact they'd probably have done worse) if they'd not joined the EU.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    I have seen no evidence that Greece would have done any better ( in fact they'd probably have done worse) if they'd not joined the EU.
    I said the euro
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    (Original post by L i b)
    No thanks. I want the EU to be successful. The problem is that it won't realise that times have changed and increasingly its member-states are not quite so amenable to being led around. I think in particular that Juncker is a malign influence on the EU and that his Commission really should be held to account for the abominable way they behaved during the UK's referendum process.

    More than anyone - David Cameron, Jeremy Corbyn, Nigel Farage or whatever - the Commission is to blame for that result. Juncker should've resigned in disgrace.
    What in particular did Juncker do wrong?
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    I said the euro
    My point still stands

    Edit: I pretty much agree with the people bits made here:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16314294
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    I think it just needs heavy reform, the main one being freedom of movement. They need to stop acting like a federal government and act more like an international organisation if they want to survive, I think the UK should leave but I think the EU should remain together
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Well little Sheffielder, it wont be any of your concern soon. Maybe leave it up to the remaining members of the EU. I note that McClaren have just announced they are lopening a factory in Sheffield, great news. I wonder where some of the grants to fund the AMRC came from, sounds like torture.
    I am a little Sheffielder and proud
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    (Original post by RedManc)
    I am a little Sheffielder and proud
    Sometimes you overdo it and it is counterproductive.
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    (Original post by 999tigger)
    Sometimes you overdo it and it is counterproductive.
    Have you been spying on my thread. I challenge thee to a duel
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    The euro gave misery to greece , not the EU, they are different....
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