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    (Original post by Jools)
    The fit one.
    Talking of fit, apparently male tutors are likely to have a subconscious preference for women as they are attracted to them, even though they are now aware of it as it is so slight!
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    (Original post by Invisible)
    Exactly - The Oxford access scheme is a prime example of some sort of loose boundary that will inevitably affect decisions as regards to the offers given out. We can't really deny that.
    OAS probably will affect decisions, but for the right I think. It aims to highlight reasons why somebody disadvantaged should get in, reasons which were there all along, not just create a new reason, that of "he's a state schooler."
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    (Original post by Jools)
    The fit one.
    So that's how I got in!
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    (Original post by Louise_1988)
    Whoever did best in the interview, you can't get more than an A so you can't say that an A from someone who has had little teaching is better than someone with an A from a better school because an A grade contains a wide range of results.
    Furthurmore, many subjects now have aptitude tests which will be another discrimanting factor when choosing students.
    Yes, but to get an A with little/no teaching requires a lot more work and ability on the behalf of the student - I can certainly vouch for that!
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    (Original post by calumc)
    Yes, but to get an A with little/no teaching requires a lot more work and ability on the behalf of the student - I can certainly vouch for that!
    Yes, but it would be unfair to not let the other person in because they may have scored full marks on all modules [unlikely, but u get my point!] and the admissions tutors will may not have know about it.
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    Thanks to you all for the response and encouragement everyone. In no particular order:
    (i) I applied for History, but I'd rather not say which college as it might identify the admissions tutor (who was very helpful / supportive afterwards). It was an older college.
    (ii) The fact that there is a quota for private schools does NOT mean that there is one for state schools: the quota for private schools is a certain maximum. There is no max for state schools, only a min that corresponds to the complement of the private school max.
    (iii) The school received a report afterwards which made absolutely no reference to any quota, I have to say, but didn't fault my application in any respect. Consequently, the school contacted the college and that's what led (eventually) to the talk with the tutor. The implication was that the college (rather than the university) had an imposed or self-imposed max for private school applicants, and had (slightly) exceeded that limit in the previous years. I am firmly of the opinion that colleges make adjustments over a three-year rolling average (if you see what I mean) so that their figures don't exceed a quota.
    (iv) Taking my experience into account, I would advocate a blind points system for each subject for each university. I believe they have something like it in the south of Ireland. It would mean going to a general, broad, bacc-style exam - 6 subjects say - so awarding points out of 600. The market would then determine the threshold for each subject for each university, based on the UCAS applications. Law at Oxbridge might be 570; Law at Nottingham might be 500; etc.
    (v) I am not in favour of 'positive' discrimination; as someone from an upper working class background, and female, I can do without being patronised; I'll get there on my own bat or not at all.
    (vi) My school reported the matter to the TES - against my wishes - but they weren't interested.
    (vii) I'm looking forward to getting into Oxbridge because I believe (honestly) that admissions aside, if one can do the business there, they do NOT care about gender / race / creed / background. ROLL ON NEXT YEAR!

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    (Original post by Louise_1988)
    apparently male tutors are likely to have a subconscious preference for women as they are attracted to them
    Hold the front page...
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    (Original post by Toni Mag)
    (vi) My school reported the matter to the TES - against my wishes - but they weren't interested.
    Well that's not on. You could have been named against your wishes and been made a scapegoat, "Oh, another public schoolgirl *****ing about not getting a place". Apparently Laura Spence never wanted to make a fuss, and as a result of the media storm a lot of people dislike her.
    (Original post by Toni Mag)
    (vii) I'm looking forward to getting into Oxbridge
    Erm... 10 out of 10 for confidence!!
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    (Original post by Louise_1988)
    Talking of fit, apparently male tutors are likely to have a subconscious preference for women as they are attracted to them, even though they are now aware of it as it is so slight!
    ah yes..i read that - the study was based on medical students i think?

    (& blonde, female " attractive" ones..ahem.. )
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    (Original post by Jools)
    Well that's not on. You could have been named against your wishes and been made a scapegoat, "Oh, another public schoolgirl *****ing about not getting a place". Apparently Laura Spence never wanted to make a fuss, and as a result of the media storm a lot of people dislike her.

    Erm... 10 out of 10 for confidence!!
    Am I being cynical to merely suggest the possibility that the admissions tutor may already have agreed to let this student in, having already told her that the only reason for her suggestion were the "quotas" in place?
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    (Original post by Louise_1988)
    Talking of fit, apparently male tutors are likely to have a subconscious preference for women as they are attracted to them, even though they are now aware of it as it is so slight!
    This is true for all interviews. Studies in job interviews have shown that attractive people, regardless of gender, are slightly more likely to get jobs over those with equivalent qualifications. It remains a sad but true (and inevitable) fact that we are subconsciously affected by such things.
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    (Original post by ASNaC)
    This is true for all interviews. Studies in job interviews have shown that attractive people, regardless of gender, are slightly more likely to get jobs over those with equivalent qualifications. It remains a sad but true (and inevitable) fact that we are subconsciously affected by such things.
    I don't think being fit is important as looking good i.e. smart - clean cut, well dressed, etc.
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    (Original post by Jools)
    I don't think being fit is important as looking good i.e. smart - clean cut, well dressed, etc.
    and of course being charming helps as well... But looking smart being good looking and charming are all parts of being attractive.
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    (Original post by H&E)
    This post is evidently false. Of course, most of it sounds extremely dodgy and unlikely, but in the last sentence there is a clear non-truth. "I have applied again this year, here's hoping". UCAS does not accept applications before September 1st, making this impossible. Combined with the unlikelihood of the rest of this post, I think it is best to ignore it entirely; in fact, I think a mod should really delete it, lest it deter potential applicants who may well have already heard rumours of quotas, be they according to schooling, sex, or another facet of one's background.

    I'm sorry, but I take exception to this remark about my posting. I can assure you, that what I have described is 100% accurate, in every detail.
    When I said I have applied again this year, I meant that I have everything done and dusted and will send to UCAS in due course. (Actually, my old school will 'handle' the posting as I'm working in France).
    I don't know what you're getting defensive about! What should my misfortune be a source of irritation to you?
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    (Original post by Jools)
    I don't think being fit is important as looking good i.e. smart - clean cut, well dressed, etc.
    I agree - it is more a matter of all around appearance. However, if you are fat and ugly (regardless of how well dressed), you are less likely to fit a manager's 'image' of who he wants to hire.
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    (Original post by Elles)
    ah yes..i read that - the study was based on medical students i think?

    (& blonde, female " attractive" ones..ahem.. )
    Oh, so that's how you got in then

    Well, not being blonde or attractive, I'm just the one that they let in by mistake :rolleyes: Actually, of the 7 female Clare medics, only one of them is really blonde, with another one sort of mousey browny-blonde. How reliable was this study? But then, we do have one female interviewer.
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    (Original post by Toni Mag)
    Hi,
    I went to a private school - not a very good one - because I won a scholarship and I needed to board for (serious) family (medical) reasons. I got all A* at GCSE and AAAAA at A-level last year. I applied to Cambridge, LSE, Durham, etc and got none!
    The Cambridge admissions people were very nice. I was told, almost one year later when the admission tutor visited the hospital I work in, that I had done well at interview, but their quota for private schools was "over-filled". Can this be fair? My total family income is less than £35k p.a. and we struggle to keep me in private education. My folks haven't had a hol in 5 years, don't drink or smoke, and we have sold our car to reduce our weekly spend.
    Please can we have some fair recognition that not all private school students are useless toffs. Why do we not have anonymous, needs-blind admissions?

    I have applied again this year; here's hoping. :confused:

    toni
    Thats totally unfair there should be no quota.
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    (Original post by ASNaC)
    I agree - it is more a matter of all around appearance. However, if you are fat and ugly (regardless of how well dressed), you are less likely to fit a manager's 'image' of who he wants to hire.
    The problem here comes with cultural/religious dress. Apparently having a turban is a disadvantage when applying for professional jobs but you see a lot who wear turbans who look very smart and presentable. But Virgin are currently being sued by a Muslim who was sacked after refusing to remove his beard. But he really did not look presentable.
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    (Original post by Helenia)
    How reliable was this study?
    Actually there have been many reliable studies of such a nature done. However, none show a strong bias, which is why in terms of our personal lives and anecdotes it does not necessarily show up.
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    (Original post by Helenia)
    Oh, so that's how you got in then

    Well, not being blonde or attractive, I'm just the one that they let in by mistake :rolleyes: Actually, of the 7 female Clare medics, only one of them is really blonde, with another one sort of mousey browny-blonde. How reliable was this study? But then, we do have one female interviewer.
    well..it was Oxford i applied to.. i had a 5/6ths male interviewers & the woman was blonde.. oh, the true oxbridge conspiracy comes to light! (ho ho..what a pun)

    there are a few blondes at my college! though also scandalous, & absolutely unfounded, I'm sure, suggestions of why some of our the handsome male specimens got in..

    & i think that's what the study referred to, although perhaps it was just based on existing students, of which slightly more are female.. although with regards to hair colour.. probably even blonde/dark, hmm..
 
 
 
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