Where has it been assumed on there thread that (i) is the case? I have merely asserted that someone who achieves AAA from a failing school is probably superior to someone with the same grades from a far superior school.
Yes. That's what I don't agree with. And I don't agree with how you are defining 'superior' school. That's the point.
Personally I feel that in todays day and age AAA from any school is achievable, due to wider availability of learning resources etc, slimmer exam specification.
If (ii) is the case, how do you explain the fact that it can be statistically proven how significant a factor teaching is?
Sadly, this has not been proven. It is not known how significant teaching is.
Furtehrmore, doing well is not just about teaching standards but about a host of resources, such as library provision, computer facilities. Furthermore, how do you explain the dire pass rate for Chemistry A Level by night class, which can be explained by a lack of individual attention in class to enable students to digest information.
May be the quality of the student, or their ages or their personal situation or the fact that they are most likely to have missed out on earlier schooling opportunities. Or many many other possible causes unrelated to the quality of evenin-class teachers.
Your superlative overuse is repulsive. They might be the best, but they certainly aren't the 'most highly paid'!
Oh, come off it! I meant the best teachers Hills Rd could hire, not the best in the universe. By the way, they ARE paid more (AST and perf / threshold payments) and increased chances of promotion to HoD etc etc etc.
As explained countless times, Oxford and Cambridge generally use other measures rather a broad state/private divide to assess an applicants' schooling. If Hills Rd is so overly successful, this will be depicted in a very high average AS score. I wonder though whether on Friday it will be the Principal of that school or Tiffin Girls School celebrating the best AL results??
Agree. Thanks for this reminder.
To (iv) I assume nothing, but think that Oxbridge dons ultimately need to sort the wheat from the chaff regarding high scoring applicants. I think many people with 10a* would get it regardless of school attended, but I also think many wouldn't if they had larger classes etc. etc. I have never ever said that a comp student with BBC could get AAA in a private school, because I don't think it is true.
Agree. Although the largest classes in England & Wales are in the 'poor private schools where the Teachers' Trade unions have been disempowered. Admittedly, the top private schools have smaller classes that poor comps.
It is to point 5 that I begin to start laughing uncontrollably. Here you are seemingly hope to place your achievements in a greater context because of all the tragedies that you have suffered despite the fact that you earlier called for blind admissions. Which way do you want it Toni- blind or just blinded to your flaws, and only pertaining to your strengths????
Don't know what you refer to, but I want a school- and needs-blind meritocratic admission system. I have no hardship which relates or was related to my university admissions application. I have no 'context' for my achievements, though they hardly warrant being called that, and I don't want to be contextualised. But I'm glad I've amused you.
The assumptions made about divorce etc. are very subjective and completely off the mark- divorce is at a much lower rate amongst the higher social and economic groups, who compose the largest proportion of people sending their children to private school. The 'long working hours' is just an appalling thing to claim in today's world.
I'm not claiming anything for myself about long working hours or divorce. I have no personal experience of any of this. The point was that kids at private school suffer 'distractions' to (what you and others perceive as) their idyllic lives. P.S. Highest marital breakdown is among high earning professional women.
Unrealised potential is assessed at interview. Do you not think when you meet someone you can gauge their intelligence? All state comps aren't treated equally. I turn it back to you, why are so many people continuing to go to these bad private schools?
See my later point about interviews ratrher than tweaking school results. p.s. I think there are many types of intelligence and I wouldn't presume to judge someone's intell from 30mins chat (or naff postings on a web site).
People continue to use crap private schools for variety of reasons, incl. lack of experiential knowledge, convenience, 'familial precedence', and for the same reason that punters still fly BA or bank with Nat West. doh!
The percentage of working class students has gone down drastically since the 11-plus was scrapped. At its peak, 84% of Oxford students went to state schools, and TMK the proportion of working class students was around 23%. Although obviously what we define as working class is important, as there are far fewer working class households now as there were 30 years ago. At 35k p.a. you might come from a working class background (I come from a working class background but my parents have levitated to middle, and I'm not proud or ashamed).