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    (Original post by sherlockfan)
    No, what I actually said was that people who are not in relationships who go out to 'celebrate' Valentines' day are simply drowning their sorrows- putting on a fake show of happiness. There's nothing wrong with that at all- but let's just acknowledge it for what it is.
    I don't mind other people celebrating. I just want to walk down the high street without seeing hearts everywhere really. Also when I see ads saying 'do something for your special someone' or words to that effect I just think **** you, you dont know anything about me, why do you think I'm in a relationship' lol
    If you had someone you'd be over the moon, I am saying this because I can relate, I have never had a gf and valentines day is just another day for me.
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    Your just butt hurt because you don't have a valentine, deny it as much as you want but it is the truth. If you had someone you'd be over the moon, I am saying this because I can relate, I have never had a gf and valentines day is just another day for me.
    lol I expected someone to say this but it couldn't be further from the truth.

    and it's you're. you. are. you're. :headbanging:
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    (Original post by sherlockfan)
    No, what I actually said was that people who are not in relationships who go out to 'celebrate' Valentines' day are simply drowning their sorrows- putting on a fake show of happiness. There's nothing wrong with that at all- but let's just acknowledge it for what it is.
    I don't mind other people celebrating. I just want to walk down the high street without seeing hearts everywhere really. Also when I see ads saying 'do something for your special someone' or words to that effect I just think **** you, you dont know anything about me, why do you think I'm in a relationship' lol
    But that's an even less valid assumption about literally every single person who does something fun on Valentine's Day but isn't in a relationship. Why would you assume that is true? Happiness is not defined by whether you're in a relationship, surely as someone who is happily celibate that would literally be your point?

    You said you didn't like the holiday because it offered nothing for you. The suggestion was that you can derive your own meaning and value from it, I.e. by going and doing something you enjoy with people you like. What that is, is entirely irrelevant.

    But during the world cup, football is everywhere. During Halloween, decorations are everywhere. Do you have a problem with that too? Or is it just Valentine's Day?

    Your last part is interesting. Those are targeted ads to people in a relationship, Like all marketing. Surely you don't shout at the t.v when those thrush adverts come on? Why are you taking those adverts so personally?

    You are happy being celibate, yes? Why then is other people celebrating their relationships such an issue?
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    But that's an even less valid assumption about literally every single person who does something fun on Valentine's Day but isn't in a relationship. Why would you assume that is true? Happiness is not defined by whether you're in a relationship, surely as someone who is happily celibate that would literally be your point?

    You said you didn't like the holiday because it offered nothing for you. The suggestion was that you can derive your own meaning and value from it, I.e. by going and doing something you enjoy with people you like. What that is, is entirely irrelevant.

    But during the world cup, football is everywhere. During Halloween, decorations are everywhere. Do you have a problem with that too? Or is it just Valentine's Day?

    Your last part is interesting. Those are targeted ads to people in a relationship, Like all marketing. Surely you don't shout at the t.v when those thrush adverts come on? Why are you taking those adverts so personally?

    You are happy being celibate, yes? Why then is other people celebrating their relationships such an issue?
    but valentine's ads are just so much more patronising. they literally tell people how they should live their lives, give them a fake ideal to aspire to and tries to make everyone else feel bad. i take issue with any ad that pretends to know what I want and need, these are just worse.
    I never said I dislike Valentines because it doesn't 'offer anything for me'. I could just as easily do without christmas and halloween.
    look nothing you say is going to make me like valentine's day, so this is pointless, and I'm tired.
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    (Original post by sherlockfan)
    but valentine's ads are just so much more patronising. they literally tell people how they should live their lives, give them a fake ideal to aspire to and tries to make everyone else feel bad. i take issue with any ad that pretends to know what I want and need, these are just worse.
    I never said I dislike Valentines because it doesn't 'offer anything for me'. I could just as easily do without christmas and halloween.
    look nothing you say is going to make me like valentine's day, so this is pointless, and I'm tired.
    Everyone will work out eventually that anything you are told that goes against what you think won't change your mind no matter how valid :rofl:
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    (Original post by sherlockfan)
    Can't walk up the high street without seeing valentine's day everywhere. Can't walk into a shop that doesn't have a valentine's day display. It's madness. Why can't couples just celebrate it in private without bothering everyone else lol. Can't even go on Google without being reminded of it. Or anywhere else on the internet for that matter.
    You probably feel bad because no one loves you .
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    Because he/she (delete as appropriate) doesn't have a partner, duh!
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    The worst part is the moment of realisation when you realise that all of the people celebrating Valentines Day are in love.
    Social media and the advertising in shops make you feel like you should be in love, or at least be admiring someone.
    What if you are in love with someone that you can't have? Someone who barely knows you exist and has a family and life of their own?
    It's not the gifts that matter to me; I have plenty of money to buy myself chocolates, roses and teddy bears if I want to. It's being made to feel like I shouldn't be single. But it is what it is, I guess.
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    (Original post by sherlockfan)
    but valentine's ads are just so much more patronising. they literally tell people how they should live their lives, give them a fake ideal to aspire to and tries to make everyone else feel bad. i take issue with any ad that pretends to know what I want and need, these are just worse.
    I never said I dislike Valentines because it doesn't 'offer anything for me'. I could just as easily do without christmas and halloween.
    look nothing you say is going to make me like valentine's day, so this is pointless, and I'm tired.
    Do Valentine's ads tell people how to live their life? Christmas ads show happy families sitting around a dinner table getting lots of presents, are they telling people with little income to buy more presents? Do beauty adverts not push a fake ideal onto people far, far more than any Valentine's advert (and 365 days a year).

    I've been single a lot and I have never felt that Valentine's day was anything other than a commercial opportunity. I never felt like it was some sly dig into my single status, or how I lived my life. Sure, on that day, I'd feel like I wanted someone in my life more than on other days, but I didn't exactly resent the holiday itself.

    I'm just trying to understand why it is Valentine's day in particular that bothers you over and above all these others (which I think are arguably, and in some cases objectively, worse).

    I must have mis-remembered, I thought you specifically stated that the holiday didn't offer anything for you - it was late and I was on my phone. However, you have stated you're celibate and that you don't believe single people celebrate Valentine's day, plus that you wish the holiday was something everyone could celebrate, thus it is reasonable to assume that you don't see Valentine's day as offering anything to you.

    I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just trying to understand your viewpoint. I get that it might be annoying to choose to be celibate and then have a holiday focused around being in a relationship, but surely, as you're happy and comfortable with that choice, you can let it pass you by? I mean, its going to be much less annoying than if you wanted a relationship, couldn't get one and then everyone celebrates having one.

    The other thing to remember is, relationships/procreation are one of the core and most fundamental aspects of being Human/alive (particularly when you consider that we generally have eating, sleeping, breathing etc. down pretty well). Even more so as it is the only interactive, social aspect. Now that I think about it, one day of the year to celebrate that (however commercialised) is oddly little.
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    (Original post by _Sinnie_)
    Do Valentine's ads tell people how to live their life? Christmas ads show happy families sitting around a dinner table getting lots of presents, are they telling people with little income to buy more presents? Do beauty adverts not push a fake ideal onto people far, far more than any Valentine's advert (and 365 days a year).

    I've been single a lot and I have never felt that Valentine's day was anything other than a commercial opportunity. I never felt like it was some sly dig into my single status, or how I lived my life. Sure, on that day, I'd feel like I wanted someone in my life more than on other days, but I didn't exactly resent the holiday itself.

    I'm just trying to understand why it is Valentine's day in particular that bothers you over and above all these others (which I think are arguably, and in some cases objectively, worse).

    I must have mis-remembered, I thought you specifically stated that the holiday didn't offer anything for you - it was late and I was on my phone. However, you have stated you're celibate and that you don't believe single people celebrate Valentine's day, plus that you wish the holiday was something everyone could celebrate, thus it is reasonable to assume that you don't see Valentine's day as offering anything to you.

    I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just trying to understand your viewpoint. I get that it might be annoying to choose to be celibate and then have a holiday focused around being in a relationship, but surely, as you're happy and comfortable with that choice, you can let it pass you by? I mean, its going to be much less annoying than if you wanted a relationship, couldn't get one and then everyone celebrates having one.

    The other thing to remember is, relationships/procreation are one of the core and most fundamental aspects of being Human/alive (particularly when you consider that we generally have eating, sleeping, breathing etc. down pretty well). Even more so as it is the only interactive, social aspect. Now that I think about it, one day of the year to celebrate that (however commercialised) is oddly little.
    1st bold: yes, they are, in essence.
    2nd bold: are you suggesting that those who do not desire relationships or procreation are less human than those who do? It's only one of the many aspects of humanity, not even a very important one to many people.

    read LeCroissant's post, she explains it better than I would be able to.
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    You probably feel bad because no one loves you .
    you're mistaken. not everyone needs a boyfriend.
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    (Original post by sherlockfan)
    1st bold: yes, they are, in essence.
    2nd bold: are you suggesting that those who do not desire relationships or procreation are less human than those who do? It's only one of the many aspects of humanity, not even a very important one to many people.

    read LeCroissant's post, she explains it better than I would be able to.
    There is a difference between what someone takes from the advert and what the advert is telling people. I'm pretty sure no retailer designs their adverts to tell poorer people to purchase more than they can afford. Of course, people feel that pressure, which is not good (but hey, advertising in general isn't really that great a thing). But, from what you said, you take the adverts really personally, as if they are singling you out for not being in a relationship. I questioned whether you respond in that way to other adverts that identify other traits, an answer to which I'm still curious. If you didn't like my thrush example then what about pay day loans?

    Yes, I am absolutely, 100% declaring that those who do not desire relationships or to procreate are less human, nay, sub human. It's a despicable and traitorous way to live.

    Does it really bother you so much that I won't stoop to mud slinging, conjecture and wild assumption that you will try and put those words into my mouth?

    Whether you like it or not, procreation is what stops the Human race from going extinct and relationships are an evolutionary way of securing that process (as evidenced by the family unit which supports fewer children, but with higher quality care). It is fine for people to not want a relationship, or not want to procreate. But the overwhelming norm, driven by basic instinct and survival need, is procreation; which has evolved to occur within the framework of relationships. I was simply saying, that one day of the year which celebrates that is hardly a big deal when they form a fundamental aspect of Human behaviour.

    For clarification, Human refers to the Human race (encompassing behaviour, instinct, social norms etc.). You were suggesting I was questioning people's humanity (morals, value, etc.).

    Regarding LeCroissant's post, you can apply that same logic (as many others in this thread have done so) to so many other things, such as Mother's and Father's day. I'm sure we can find at least one person who is unable to participate in each holiday or celebration and which make them feel like they should/be able to.
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    I don't mind Valentine's Day. I think it's sweet and romantic for people who have a valentine and if you don't? Oh well, it's only one day. No big deal
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    I don't mind Valentine's Day. I think it's sweet and romantic for people who have a valentine and if you don't? Oh well, it's only one day. No big deal
    I don't get it either. Why do people have to make such a big deal out of nothing???

    Valentine's day is a simple day. It's not even a controversial subject worth debating on..
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    I don't get it either. Why do people have to make such a big deal out of nothing???

    Valentine's day is a simple day. It's not even a controversial subject worth debating on..
    Lol ikr. Valentine's Day is the least of my worries. Some people don't have a mother on Mother's Day
 
 
 
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