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    I had a seizure in December I waited 5 hours in A&E all they did is a simple blood test now I had another seizure in February and the referral to the neurologist which I got in December is for April great 2 seizures in a row undiagnosed.My GP is always fully booked a week in advance, To get simple blood tests done is a headache let alone see a specialist or do more advanced tests is really hard.I appreciate the free health care but the quality is poor and people are dying as a result.If this is the quality of care offered then perhaps the NHS should not be run anymore the government should either give it the necessary funds to run it properly otherwise they should not run it at all if they cannot provide the good quality care that our tax money goes towards.
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    Go private if you don't like it.

    The NHS is one of the best things about the UK.
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    Underfunding.

    There no other answer, underfunding is the only reason. The NHS is one of the best things about the UK, and the NHS going private would be ridiculous as the cost of healthcare is extortionate.
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      like others have said, underfunding and poor management from your trust.

      the best option is to go private or deal with it like the rest of the public :dontknow:
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      100% agree, long delays, lack of information, poor explanations, not fit for purpose in a lot of places. Needs to be replaced by subsidized private care for the poor.
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      Funding isn't the biggest factor.

      NHS needs to cut the waste such as cosmetic operations and start charging people for missing appointments
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      (Original post by Anonymous)
      I had a seizure in December I waited 5 hours in A&E all they did is a simple blood test now I had another seizure in February and the referral to the neurologist which I got in December is for April great 2 seizures in a row undiagnosed.My GP is always fully booked a week in advance, To get simple blood tests done is a headache let alone see a specialist or do more advanced tests is really hard.I appreciate the free health care but the quality is poor and people are dying as a result.If this is the quality of care offered then perhaps the NHS should not be run anymore the government should either give it the necessary funds to run it properly otherwise they should not run it at all if they cannot provide the good quality care that our tax money goes towards.
      You are incredibly ignorant. You did not just have a 'simple blood test'. My sister is an A&E nurse and an awful lot more than that happens. Every patient who comes into A&E majors has an ECG, blood test, urine test, intravenous cannula inserted and has a full history taken, then impression and plan written by an A&E doctor. Physical observations (blood pressure, pulse, oxygen saturation) are taken on every patient every hour every shift (that's the plan anyway). Referrals are made to speciality doctors who come to see the patient, review and decide what to do next. The nurses have to give regular and new medications to every patient, including intravenous infusions and controlled drugs. Patients are taken to the toilet or assisted with commodes/bedpans, changed into hospital gowns, re-positioned regularly, etc. When a patient leaves, the nursing staff have to clean down the entire cubicle, bed and machinery, and make the bed again. The turn-over of patients is so massive this happens an awful lot, as you can hopefully imagine.

      Some patients in A&E are incredibly sick, requiring aggressive intravenous fluids and antibiotics, 10-15 litres of oxygen, urinary catheters, etc. Add all this to aggressive, ungrateful and demanding patients who couldn't care less about their own health, who expect everything and anything whenever they like, as well as being understaffed, overworked and mentally exhausted, you received a lot more care than you think. Even when they send you home, a doctor has to clear you to go home, write your prescriptions (if any), then the nurses check and dispense them, then fill in loads of paperwork when you go. Every patient has a large amount of paperwork when they are admitted and throughout their stay in A&E and considering that 300-500 people can come into the department every single day, you have no right to say the quality of care is poor when actually you are getting everything you need. An emergency can happen to patients in majors at any time; it is not uncommon for the emergency bell to be pulled several times a shift for multiple patients who were initially stable (or were stabilised in the resuscitation area), and nurses and doctors rush over to save the patient's life.

      You were sent home because your seizures are most probably a long-term condition, managed by medication. Your blood results and other tests were fine in the contest of your condition, and there is nothing else the hospital can do for you; they can't magically cure your condition because you want them to. Your waiting time was long because you were not in any imminent danger and were fine to wait all things considered. Had you had a cardiac arrest or been stabbed, you would have been whipped into the resuscitation area, stabilised and then moved into majors. You have to consider everyone else who is more sick than you. They don't let people die because people like you don't want to wait for something when clinically there is no reason why you can't. You and everybody else get all this and more for free and nothing is ever directly payable by you, yes you pay taxes but you would anyway, if not for the NHS then education, defence or something else.
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      Just to add, it probably is just your trust.. I live in a town that's near london, very busy and culturally diverse, but I dont really get problems. If I need an appointment with my GP I can ring up and recieve one the same day or the next day. I had a recent referral to a neurologist which i had to wait almost three months for but thats how long these things take, there just simply arent enough nuerologists for the amount of patients referred. I was also booked for an MRI which wasnt urgent at all but only had to wait about 3 weeks. A&E in my town is quite a mess I have to say, some day a 4 hour wait, some days you can be in and out in an hour. But at the end of the day it really is down to how much funding a trust has, the NHS is truly amazing.
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      (Original post by sdotd)
      Funding isn't the biggest factor.

      NHS needs to cut the waste such as cosmetic operations and start charging people for missing appointments
      Yeah definitely for cosmetic surgery but I disagree for the missed appointments. The elderly and those with ilnesses such as dementia find it hard to remember, as well as those with depression. I think its a bit of a risk imposing a charge for them as there are several factors.
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      (Original post by JasonDu)
      100% agree, long delays, lack of information, poor explanations, not fit for purpose in a lot of places. Needs to be replaced by subsidized private care for the poor.
      How would private care fix things?
      Even if I had a stable income I dont think I could afford private healthcare, one 10 minute appointment with a nuerologist is £180
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      (Original post by bex.anne)
      Yeah definitely for cosmetic surgery but I disagree for the missed appointments. The elderly and those with ilnesses such as dementia find it hard to remember, as well as those with depression. I think its a bit of a risk imposing a charge for them as there are several factors.
      yes some people should not be charged i agree but i know at my surgery that too many people keep missing appointments for no reason and the surgery has told everyone this many times
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      (Original post by Anonymous)
      I had a seizure in December I waited 5 hours in A&E all they did is a simple blood test
      So.. you weren't assessed by any nurses or doctors in that time? Some overenthusiastic phlebotomist just came up to you and took your blood?

      You've either omitted a fair bit of information from your story or you're not being entirely truthful.
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      (Original post by Anonymous)
      I had a seizure in December I waited 5 hours in A&E all they did is a simple blood test now I had another seizure in February and the referral to the neurologist which I got in December is for April great 2 seizures in a row undiagnosed.My GP is always fully booked a week in advance, To get simple blood tests done is a headache let alone see a specialist or do more advanced tests is really hard.I appreciate the free health care but the quality is poor and people are dying as a result.If this is the quality of care offered then perhaps the NHS should not be run anymore the government should either give it the necessary funds to run it properly otherwise they should not run it at all if they cannot provide the good quality care that our tax money goes towards.
      A probable reason why you had to wait for 5 hours was because there weren't many doctors and you were not a high priority patient. sooooo... yeah...
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      Because it's public.
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      Oh please, go to any Third World country you wouldn't be complaining about the NHS then
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      If it is a long-term condition that should be dealt with medication then it should be diagnosed not left alone.

      I am just very angry with our system I used to absolutely adore the NHS but now I am deeply ashamed of the NHS.How does an institution of such nobility turn into such a poorly managed institution?The NHS is great in theory but it is greatly under-funded I don't agree with where our tax money is going instead of funding our futures with education and great health care we are putting some the money towards nonsense.I am deeply outraged of how such a noble institution first started by Atlee now turned so bad.I just don't think that it is perhaps the right decision to keep it going if it is not run properly.
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      (Original post by *pitseleh*)
      So.. you weren't assessed by any nurses or doctors in that time? Some overenthusiastic phlebotomist just came up to you and took your blood?

      You've either omitted a fair bit of information from your story or you're not being entirely truthful.
      They took blood, checked my blood pressure and heart rhythm and that is it.I laid there for 5 hours just doing nothing.No special tests were done only the bare minimum.
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      I had the opposite experience. Got a referral from optician, took two weeks to get an appointment with the eye department. Eye department saw me and transferred me to AAU for further testing where within a few hours I was given cat scans etc followed by a lumbar puncture. My neurologist referral appointment is a month away, too.

      The difference between my situation and yours? I was high priority and in imminent danger of serious and life threatening conditions so they gave me an emergency referral and a short term treatment straight away. That is why you were waiting around.


      If you don't like the NHS, go private.
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      (Original post by Anonymous)
      I had a seizure in December I waited 5 hours in A&E all they did is a simple blood test now I had another seizure in February and the referral to the neurologist which I got in December is for April great 2 seizures in a row undiagnosed.My GP is always fully booked a week in advance, To get simple blood tests done is a headache let alone see a specialist or do more advanced tests is really hard.I appreciate the free health care but the quality is poor and people are dying as a result.If this is the quality of care offered then perhaps the NHS should not be run anymore the government should either give it the necessary funds to run it properly otherwise they should not run it at all if they cannot provide the good quality care that our tax money goes towards.

      Not getting the logic.
      1. If they dont run it anymore, then wont a lot more people suffer and die?
      2. If you dont like whats on offer for free then go private.

      On value for money terms the NHS ranks near the top.
     
     
     
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