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    (Original post by heri2rs)
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    In what way?
    Are you an authority on liberalism?
    Do you take liberalism for its actual meaning or what progressives make it out to be?
    It take it on the basis of the graph provided. What unites half the Libertarian party is not Libertarianism but being hard right, just like a great many "libertarians", particularly Conservative libertarians. It's a trendy label that sounds nicer than hard right. I do wonder what makes you "Libertarians" as evil and regressive as me, although for certain you don't believe big chunks what is in the Liber thread OP on the social side.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    It take it on the basis of the graph provided. What unites half the Libertarian party is not Libertarianism but being hard right, just like a great many "libertarians", particularly Conservative libertarians. It's a trendy label that sounds nicer than hard right. I do wonder what makes you "Libertarians" as evil and regressive as me, although for certain you don't believe big chunks what is in the Liber thread OP on the social side.
    Mildly incorrect. I think you'll find my results would correlate with someone like Ron Paul or ayn rand or even hans Hermann hoppe.
    I think businesses should have a right to discriminate. I support decriminalisation of drugs, gay marriage too. I'd end the bank of England tomorrow if I could. Roads should eventually be privatised. The NAP is vital. People should do what they want on their property. People should have guns. Currency should be privatised. Government should stop spying and infringing on our civil liberties. They should stop bombing everything in the middle east etc

    Not libertarian enough?
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    (Original post by heri2rs)
    Mildly incorrect. I think you'll find my results would correlate with someone like Ron Paul or ayn rand or even hans Hermann hoppe.
    I think businesses should have a right to discriminate. I support decriminalisation of drugs, gay marriage too. I'd end the bank of England tomorrow if I could. Roads should eventually be privatised. The NAP is vital. People should do what they want on their property. People should have guns. Currency should be privatised. Government should stop spying and infringing on our civil liberties. They should stop bombing everything in the middle east etc

    Not libertarian enough?
    And yet you're positioned with those of us branded evil regressive authoritarians in the middle of the social spectrum.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    It take it on the basis of the graph provided. What unites half the Libertarian party is not Libertarianism but being hard right, just like a great many "libertarians", particularly Conservative libertarians. It's a trendy label that sounds nicer than hard right. I do wonder what makes you "Libertarians" as evil and regressive as me, although for certain you don't believe big chunks what is in the Liber thread OP on the social side.
    We introduced legislation to legalize incest and give prisoners the vote, for starters. The only socially conservative position I hold is abortion, and it's moderate at best.
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    (Original post by BobBobson)
    Prime example of communism in action. Venzuela was a great country, with a growing economy. Now look at it.
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    If you know Venezuelan history, you should know socialism (or what you inaccurately labelled "communism") has little to do with the country's prosperity or economic downturn.

    It has always mostly been affected by oil prices. When oil prices went up, it had a stronger economy; when it collapsed, its economy collapsed.
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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    The last time I did it, a few months ago, I also straddled the left/right border, but was on the libertarian side. Fun fact: I have never gone out of the (±1,±1) area and have never been in the purple area. And when I first joined TSR UKIP, I was in the green area.
    This makes you a perfect refugee for the Liberal Party when you inevitable retire from your leadership position at UKIP.
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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    a patriot
    of which country tho
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    If you know Venezuelan history, you should know socialism (or what you inaccurately labelled "communism" has little to do with the country's prosperity or economic downturn.

    It has always mostly been affected by oil prices. When oil prices went up, it had a stronger economy; when it collapsed, its economy collapsed.
    Of course not. It's the oil prices. All the oil prices, nothing to do with the failing regime. It's funny that the oil prices fell and killed only Venezuela, and none of the other dozens of the countries whose GDP is primarily based around oil.

    Countries half the size of Venezuela whose economies are even more based on oil are hurting, but not to the point where its citizens are literally eating ****, has -20% GDP growth. Negative Twenty percent. 800% Inflation, 16 times the threshold for hyperinflation, where more than 80% of the population are officially in poverty, and 70% are unemployed, and just recently, the vice president of Venezuela is now listed officially according to FNKDA in USA for being a Drugs KINGPIN, for drugs trafficking. Obama banned Venezuelan officials from ever entering the US.

    It's just the oil prices.

    This is not a recession, or an "economic crash". It's called being in deep ****. It's called being under a fundamentally flawed ideology.
    Also, if you can't see that socialism and communism are one and the same, then you are seriously lacking.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    If you know Venezuelan history, you should know socialism (or what you inaccurately labelled "communism" has little to do with the country's prosperity or economic downturn.

    It has always mostly been affected by oil prices. When oil prices went up, it had a stronger economy; when it collapsed, its economy collapsed.
    Because Saudi Arabia and Russia both have -20% GDP growth and are in hyperinflaion
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    If you know Venezuelan history, you should know socialism (or what you inaccurately labelled "communism") has little to do with the country's prosperity or economic downturn.

    It has always mostly been affected by oil prices. When oil prices went up, it had a stronger economy; when it collapsed, its economy collapsed.
    Which is total failure of the state. There is no reason for them to be so overly reliant on one volatile commodity, and anybody else would have learnt from the 80s oil crisis, but domestic economic policy is destroying things as much as not tapping into other revenue streams. Saudi Arabia is also a massive producer and exporter of oil, just like Venezuela petrochemical products make up 90% of exports, yet it is still maintaining modest growth through the drop in oil price, even if it is in the short term causing a MASSIVE deficit.

    You'll also find Venezuela right at the bottom of the east of doing business index, just behind places like DR Congo, Afghanistan, and South Sudan, although still managing to stay just ahead of Eritrea, Somalia, and Lybia.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Which is total failure of the state. There is no reason for them to be so overly reliant on one volatile commodity, and anybody else would have learnt from the 80s oil crisis, but domestic economic policy is destroying things as much as not tapping into other revenue streams. Saudi Arabia is also a massive producer and exporter of oil, just like Venezuela petrochemical products make up 90% of exports, yet it is still maintaining modest growth through the drop in oil price, even if it is in the short term causing a MASSIVE deficit.

    You'll also find Venezuela right at the bottom of the east of doing business index, just behind places like DR Congo, Afghanistan, and South Sudan, although still managing to stay just ahead of Eritrea, Somalia, and Lybia.

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    Corruption is another big factor, and you can certainly see the correlation between the level of corruption and the chances of a country being at the bottom.
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    (Original post by BobBobson)
    Of course not. It's the oil prices. All the oil prices, nothing to do with the failing regime. It's funny that the oil prices fell and killed only Venezuela, and none of the other dozens of the countries whose GDP is primarily based around oil.

    Countries half the size of Venezuela whose economies are even more based on oil are hurting, but not to the point where its citizens are literally eating ****, has -20% GDP growth. Negative Twenty percent. 800% Inflation, 16 times the threshold for hyperinflation, where more than 80% of the population are officially in poverty, and 70% are unemployed, and just recently, the vice president of Venezuela is now listed officially according to FNKDA in USA for being a Drugs KINGPIN, for drugs trafficking. Obama banned Venezuelan officials from ever entering the US.

    It's just the oil prices.

    This is not a recession, or an "economic crash". It's called being in deep ****. It's called being under a fundamentally flawed ideology.
    Also, if you can't see that socialism and communism are one and the same, then you are seriously lacking.
    Lacking what? Lacking the ability to be wilfully ignorant and the urge to be wrong?
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    Because Saudi Arabia and Russia both have -20% GDP growth and are in hyperinflaion
    Corruption is another big factor, as well as general incompetency. Still nothing to do with socialism.
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    Another interesting little tool, although the lack of constitutional or parliamentary monarchy is annoying.

    http://filteries.com/politics
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Corruption is another big factor, and you can certainly see the correlation between the level of corruption and the chances of a country being at the bottom.
    And if course corruption totally drives states to failure to the extent of Venezuela, we can all see that most of Africa is in deep depression with spiraling unemployment, severe shortages of goods as per the will of the government, hyperinflation, and a surging exchange rate. Sorry, I forgot, socialist governments never lie so the official exchange and inflation rates are totally true and there are no problems in the country at all.
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Corruption is another big factor, as well as general incompetency. Still nothing to do with socialism.
    Ok lets go.
    Price controls

    The government decided to regulate the markets and the prices of goods. The idea was to make essential goods more affordable for the poor. Producers were operating at a loss so just stopped selling these goods all together and moved out of the country. As a result the country was even more reliant on imports. Supply was lowered and as demand remained the same or even increased, this caused prices to increase even further
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst.../#59cc75443849


    Nationalisation
    The government is nationalising lots of private companies and given them to the poor however the poor don’t have the skills to run them so they go bankrupt. For example when Chavez nationalised Venezuela’s biggest electric company there were severe shortages and the working week for public sector employees was only 2 days. They even nationalised oil giants and made the production of oil highly inefficient causing them to suffer even more as they received even less dollars as they are producing less oil. The government also raised the price of petrol from $0.01 to $0.60 per litre.

    "The Chavez government has expropriated or nationalised numerous companies (no one seems to be able to count them all) involved in various sectors including aluminum, cement, gold, iron, steel, farming, transportation, electricity, food production, banking, paper and the media. The number of private companies in industry has dropped from 14,000 in 1998 to only 9,000 in 2011, according to Torres.
    Companies need investment to grow and hire new workers. One of the biggest failures of the Chavez government has been to drive away both domestic and foreign investors. In 2011 Latin America enjoyed a record of more than $150 billion in foreign investment with Brazil receiving $67 billion. Venezuela's neighbor Colombia received $13 billion while Venezuela received only $5 billion. To avoid expropriation and find investment a number of Venezuelan companies have moved to Colombia, Panama and the United States."

    Venezuela produced just 2.15 million barrels of crude oil per day in June, according to S&P Global Platts estimates. That's the weakest pace since February 2003, Platts said.

    Nationalisation has killed Venezuela, socialism destroyed it , obviously corruption is an issue . The currency is also a mess as it has 3 different exchange rates
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    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Corruption is another big factor, as well as general incompetency. Still nothing to do with socialism.
    (Original post by Little Toy Gun)
    Corruption is another big factor, and you can certainly see the correlation between the level of corruption and the chances of a country being at the bottom.
    >corruption
    >nothing to do with communism

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    (Original post by BobBobson)
    >corruption
    >nothing to do with communism

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    lol
    I'm liking the kippers more every day
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    lol
    I'm liking the kippers more every day
    I know. They are much better than the tories.
 
 
 
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