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B1117 – English Votes for English Laws Bill 2017 Watch

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    B1117 – English Votes for English Laws Bill 2017, Jammy Duel MP Seconded by: Nigel Farage MEP MP











    English Votes for English Laws Bill 2017
    A Bill to strengthen existing measures reducing the influence of MPs representing constituencies covered by devolved powers have on legislation that does no affect their constituents.









    BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

    1. Restrictions applied
    (1) MPs may not vote on legislation, or parts of legislation, if they represent a constituency unaffected by the legislation in question

    2. Commencement, Short Title and Extent
    This Act may be referred to as the EVEL Act 2017
    This Act will extend to the United Kingdom; and;
    This Act shall come into force immediately.


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    The purpose of this bill is to extend the current EVEL implementation from mere veto powers to sole voting rights, the assessment of whether it is an England, or England and Wales, only issue is unchanged. This also applies to specific provisions where certain parts of a bill do not extend to the whole of the UK, for instance sections of finance bills relating to means on taxation which have been devolved.

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    Virtually nothing is an England- or England-and-Wales-only issue because of the Barnett formula and funding framework.

    I oppose this: the best way to solve this issue is a proper parliament for the English nation.
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    Any Bill which creates, or authorises, any spending, has an impact on all constituencies. While the premise is fine, the name is not, and I suspect this will affect possibly 1 Bill in the next century.

    Also, do the authors mean to devolve more power to the devolved nations by way of this? That would be a side-effect.

    Nay.
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    I'm skeptical of the wording involved here for the reasons TDA mentioned.

    Abstain.
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    Lol no the solution is regional parliaments for England.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Any Bill which creates, or authorises, any spending, has an impact on all constituencies. While the premise is fine, the name is not, and I suspect this will affect possibly 1 Bill in the next century.

    Also, do the authors mean to devolve more power to the devolved nations by way of this? That would be a side-effect.

    Nay.
    There is no intention of this directly leading to further devolution, however there are elements of taxation already devolved, and the Scottish are gaining more controls over taxation with full control of income tax either this year or next year IIRC, for instance, this bill would include any provisions of a finance bill pertaining specifically to income tax would exclude Scottish MPs on this basis; they have full control in their devolved parliament to control income tax rates and thresholds ergo there is no reason they should have any say on the ratea and thresholds in the rest of the country, in the exact same way that we have no say over French policy.

    And if you think that only one bill per century is affected then the first year of the RL implementation must have been a millennium long, for 9 bills were certified as England or England and Wales only in the first 12 months.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    There is no intention of this directly leading to further devolution, however there are elements of taxation already devolved, and the Scottish are gaining more controls over taxation with full control of income tax either this year or next year IIRC, for instance, this bill would include any provisions of a finance bill pertaining specifically to income tax would exclude Scottish MPs on this basis; they have full control in their devolved parliament to control income tax rates and thresholds ergo there is no reason they should have any say on the ratea and thresholds in the rest of the country, in the exact same way that we have no say over French policy.

    And if you think that only one bill per century is affected then the first year of the RL implementation must have been a millennium long, for 9 bills were certified as England or England and Wales only in the first 12 months.
    Extent is not the same thing as having an effect.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Extent is not the same thing as having an effect.
    Then a wording clarification is in order to make clear that the bill removes the whole UK vote from the existing procedure, which is the intention of the bill.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Then a wording clarification is in order to make clear that the bill removes the whole UK vote from the existing procedure, which is the intention of the bill.
    In which case I am very strongly opposed, as it amounts to an English dictatorship over the devolved nations.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    There is no intention of this directly leading to further devolution, however there are elements of taxation already devolved, and the Scottish are gaining more controls over taxation with full control of income tax either this year or next year IIRC, for instance, this bill would include any provisions of a finance bill pertaining specifically to income tax would exclude Scottish MPs on this basis; they have full control in their devolved parliament to control income tax rates and thresholds ergo there is no reason they should have any say on the ratea and thresholds in the rest of the country, in the exact same way that we have no say over French policy.

    And if you think that only one bill per century is affected then the first year of the RL implementation must have been a millennium long, for 9 bills were certified as England or England and Wales only in the first 12 months.
    Except IIRC the Scottish Parliament can only vary income tax by up to 10p and cannot change the bands, so it's hard to write an income tax bill with no effect on Scotland.
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    So all the Scottish MP's could declare Scotland independent in parliament and no one could stop them?
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    I don't believe this is necessary, nay
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    I'm skeptical of the wording involved here for the reasons TDA mentioned.

    Abstain.
    I swear ur not an MP.
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    I swear ur not an MP.
    Indeed not, considering my party didn't exist in the last election, fear not though, I will return to the division lobby in due course when we take at least 5 Tory seats at the next election.

    Regardless, there's nothing stopping saying how I would vote on a bill at the debate stage.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Indeed not, considering my party didn't exist in the last election, fear not though, I will return to the division lobby in due course when we take at least 5 Tory seats at the next election.

    Regardless, there's nothing stopping saying how I would vote on a bill at the debate stage.
    Would you be able to fill those seats though?
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    (Original post by fleky6910)
    Would you be able to fill those seats though?
    Myself, Andrew, Joe, George is 4 seats right there; fear not we will recruit more people and we have some trump cards lined up for when we get a TSR sub forum.
 
 
 
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