Hear me out. I don't want to be one of those parents who constantly give their kids an ass whooping but I'm also not going to be those who ground them as a punishment. I wouldn't hit my child if they were under the age of 10. But older than that, if "talking" doesn't work, they need to get hit. Chat ****, get hit you know... Not anything that'll leave a scar or anything. I never want to make my kids feel scared of me though and not trust me with anything. Not condoning child abuse or anything but yeah.