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how white, middle class in Leeds uni?
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Reply 20
hermaphrodite
I think what the OP was trying to ask was why isn't the ethnic demography at leeds uni a true representation of the ethnic demography in HE (across all universities) in England or UK.
So for example if the ratio of caucasian:non caucasian at HE (in Eng or UK) is say 85:15 why isn't this reflected at Leeds Uni.
So for example if the ratio of caucasian:non caucasian at HE (in Eng or UK) is say 85:15 why isn't this reflected at Leeds Uni.
i'm actually quite intrigued as to what the social and ethnic demographics are in higher education and how they relate to the same demographics for the country.. (and then of course compared to unis)
Reply 21
^^^ check out the HEFCE website or checkout the HESA website.
oxford, cambridge, durham circa 45% went to public school.
red brick unis: circa 22- 33% went to public school
former poly unis: i would say less than went to 6% public school.
these are just rough figures i don't check on a daily basis. Exception;Oxford brookes does have a higher proportion of public school students relative to other post- 92s. Not too sure about the london colleges but i'm sure you can use your intuition.
EDIT: Oh and across the whole of England 90% = Comprehensives, 7% = fee paying and 3%= Grammar. (see Sutton Trust)
EDIT AGAIN: I forgot to mention Leeds' Public School intake is 27%.
LSE has about 50% ethnic minorities; but that figure is almost parallel to the international student intake.
in terms of ethnic demography i think the population in the UK is circa 8% ethnic minority (?) (dont quote me). EDIT: sorry.according to census 2001 86% are white british and 5% are white other. so around 9% will be minority groups.
but the percentage of ethnic minorities going onto HE is a tiny bit higher than this. this slight increase comes from alot of (UK born) Indians going on to Higher Education and also because white working class people (who make up a representitive population of the UK) not going to Uni.
Chris; why don't you ask a lecturer in your department . . . . I did!!!
You could also consult the ONS, Census or the Institute of Education.
oxford, cambridge, durham circa 45% went to public school.
red brick unis: circa 22- 33% went to public school
former poly unis: i would say less than went to 6% public school.
these are just rough figures i don't check on a daily basis. Exception;Oxford brookes does have a higher proportion of public school students relative to other post- 92s. Not too sure about the london colleges but i'm sure you can use your intuition.
EDIT: Oh and across the whole of England 90% = Comprehensives, 7% = fee paying and 3%= Grammar. (see Sutton Trust)
EDIT AGAIN: I forgot to mention Leeds' Public School intake is 27%.
LSE has about 50% ethnic minorities; but that figure is almost parallel to the international student intake.
in terms of ethnic demography i think the population in the UK is circa 8% ethnic minority (?) (dont quote me). EDIT: sorry.according to census 2001 86% are white british and 5% are white other. so around 9% will be minority groups.
but the percentage of ethnic minorities going onto HE is a tiny bit higher than this. this slight increase comes from alot of (UK born) Indians going on to Higher Education and also because white working class people (who make up a representitive population of the UK) not going to Uni.
Chris; why don't you ask a lecturer in your department . . . . I did!!!
You could also consult the ONS, Census or the Institute of Education.
Reply 22
Digitiser
I wouldn'tve thought it would be necessary to look at stats for Leeds. Leeds has over 70,000 students living in the city, you would've thought that would've equated to a diverse class representation through that figure alone?
yes it does have a diverse class range.
but the under classes and working classes are better represented/concentrated at Leeds Met.
and the middle class are better represented/concentrated at Leeds Uni.
they are not evenly distributed across the two campuses
Reply 23
hermaphrodite
the under classes
Using all the politically correct terminology, I see.
Reply 24
i'm an under-class. i'm not familiar with the new terms which were introduced around 8 years ago (?) / / all the A, B, C1, C2 D blah blah blah classes. I'm still accustomed to the old-school terms
Reply 25
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/6905990.stm
i'm rather shocked at nottingham. didnt expect that.
i'm rather shocked at nottingham. didnt expect that.
Reply 26
Wow, I really wasn't expecting so much of a debate! I asked because I want to study sociology and, as I pointed out in the sociology talk at Exeter, it would be difficult to study diversity in a supremely white, middle class environment!
I do go to a grammar school but it's nearer to London really than Kent so it is actually very ethically diverse and I just prefer it that way as most of my friends are either not white or middle middle class.
I do go to a grammar school but it's nearer to London really than Kent so it is actually very ethically diverse and I just prefer it that way as most of my friends are either not white or middle middle class.
Reply 27
Jacket Potato
Wow, I really wasn't expecting so much of a debate!
That's cos hermaphrodite is participating in this thread
LOL!! ( i'm sure guitarromantic and/or chris can vouch for that can't you
)Reply 28
Jacket Potato
Wow, I really wasn't expecting so much of a debate! I asked because I want to study sociology and, as I pointed out in the sociology talk at Exeter, it would be difficult to study diversity in a supremely white, middle class environment!
I do go to a grammar school but it's nearer to London really than Kent so it is actually very ethically diverse and I just prefer it that way as most of my friends are either not white or middle middle class.
I do go to a grammar school but it's nearer to London really than Kent so it is actually very ethically diverse and I just prefer it that way as most of my friends are either not white or middle middle class.
if you want diversity go to london. you have tower hamlets next door to islington.
i posted a link up there with independent school to state school ratio at all the unis.
do you have a link which lists the (UK born) caucasian: non caucasian ratio at all the individual unis. it would be rather labourious if I were to check every individual university website
Reply 29
I can't believe this thread. If i was to say i wanted to move uni because there were too many 'working class black people' or 'rich indians' i'd get shot down. Frankly i think this generalisation is bordering on racist, and furthermore having just joined Leeds i know there is a diverse range of students that get on together.
Reply 30
Bluesboyjoe
Frankly i think this generalisation is bordering on racist, and furthermore having just joined Leeds i know there is a diverse range of students that get on together.
bordering on "racist" as opposed to "classist".
met anyone from Tower Hamlets yet? No i didnt think so
Reply 31
Tower Hamlets is in London right...
why is that an issue for someone from leeds???
Furthermore to say all the people from there are within a certain 'bracket' is just like them saying you are with your own 'bracket'- generalisation/discrimination
As the figures have shown the percentage of private/grammar school pupils is outweighed by the number of comp students that attend, not that it should matter. I think you are more narrow-minded than the 'white, middle class' you seek to avoid
why is that an issue for someone from leeds???
Furthermore to say all the people from there are within a certain 'bracket' is just like them saying you are with your own 'bracket'- generalisation/discrimination
As the figures have shown the percentage of private/grammar school pupils is outweighed by the number of comp students that attend, not that it should matter. I think you are more narrow-minded than the 'white, middle class' you seek to avoid
Reply 32
Bluesboyjoe
Tower Hamlets is in London right...
why is that an issue for someone from leeds???
why is that an issue for someone from leeds???
Not an "issue" for someone from Leeds. I meant have you met anyone from Tower Hamlets on the Leeds Uni campus?
Reply 33
hermaphrodite
Not an "issue" for someone from Leeds. I meant have you met anyone from Tower Hamlets on the Leeds Uni campus?
i may have done.. i don't tend to enquire as to people's places of dwelling when serving them pints..
Reply 34
ChrisA86
i may have done.. i don't tend to enquire as to people's places of dwelling when serving them pints..
I do, all the time . . . . make friendly banter and then slip in there somewhere "don't recognise the accent, where are you from?"
Reply 35
Bluesboyjoe
Tower Hamlets is in London right...
why is that an issue for someone from leeds???
Furthermore to say all the people from there are within a certain 'bracket' is just like them saying you are with your own 'bracket'- generalisation/discrimination
As the figures have shown the percentage of private/grammar school pupils is outweighed by the number of comp students that attend, not that it should matter. I think you are more narrow-minded than the 'white, middle class' you seek to avoid
why is that an issue for someone from leeds???
Furthermore to say all the people from there are within a certain 'bracket' is just like them saying you are with your own 'bracket'- generalisation/discrimination
As the figures have shown the percentage of private/grammar school pupils is outweighed by the number of comp students that attend, not that it should matter. I think you are more narrow-minded than the 'white, middle class' you seek to avoid
I don't think he/she seeks to avoid white, middle class people. I think the reason from a sociological point of view is valid, and accept that yes - to some people, cultural diversity might be important.
Anyway - to answer your question - I don't think Leeds is any exception or particularly white, middle class compared to most other unis of its standard. Perhaps london, Nottingham and Manchester would be more ethnically diverse... (the cities moreso than the university, at least in the case of Manchester and Nottingham).
Reply 36
FAO OP: last year 13% of Leeds' students were awarded some sort of bursary by the uni. OF those 13%, 60% got the maximum bursary. see today's independent
Reply 37
hermaphrodite
FAO OP: last year 13% of Leeds students were awarded some sort of bursary by the uni. OF those 13%, 60% got the maximum bursary. see today's independent
is this a good or a bad thing? what with the introduction of top-up fees i have no clue about finance for newer students..
Reply 38
ChrisA86
is this a good or a bad thing? what with the introduction of top-up fees i have no clue about finance for newer students..
it means they're less well off.
Reply 39
Bluesboyjoe
As the figures have shown the percentage of private/grammar school pupils is outweighed by the number of comp students that attend
As the figures have shown the percentage of private/grammar school pupils is outweighed by the number of comp students that attend
But the public school people take up a disproportionate amount of places. Look at the recent Oxbridge report - 7% of pupils go private yet 48% of all oxbridge students are from private schools.
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