International Women's Day-Stop Representing The Hijab As A Symbol Of Enpowerment

Piste is merely a means of getting to and from park and powder.
That is all.

No idea what you're talking about.

The pressure is from god! There cannot be any greater pressure for someone who genuinely believes in the truth of Islam.

That doesn't address my point.

As I said, people in the West such as yourself only think "genitals, anus and female nipples" need to be covered just because that's what you're used to in the society you've grown up in.

There is absolutely no reason why this is the correct, definitive list of body parts that need to be covered. Different cultures will view it differently.

i personally can handle seeing the female nipple (Why you specified teenage daughter's breasts is for you and your therapist), without losing control. It's a nipple, you spent your childhood clamped onto your mother's. Are you offended by breastfeeding?

Do women get as sexually aroused visually as men? I'm not sure, but certainly some do. It isn't surprising that someone who claims the hijab is empowering has little idea about female sexuality.

You have no point. Either you are a troll or you lack basic reading comprehension skills. You have been pointed out multiple times now that )whatever you consider as) your "points" are flawed. At this point you are just spamming now.

I knew at the beginning, I should have listened to myself when I wrote I won't be feeding the troll. You are a classic case, ignore points, argue in circles, repeat the same thing just differently phrased.

This post contains no argument of any substance.
It might have been better phrased as "You're wrong, just because!"

In certain countries nude beaches and saunas are common place.

You are quite right, there is something wrong also in the West with regards to the naked body.

But that does in no way justify the huge patriarchy that underpins Islam and manifests itself in things such as the Hijab.

You also repeatedly fail to understand the logic behind the argument - you keep harping on and on about nipples in the west or amazonians. You completely fail to acknowledge my initial reply to you, the motivation matters (you said no you aren't playing dumb you just don't see the answer and I repeated "women wanting to please Mo". So in my eyes I was wrong to assume you are purposefully playing daft, you are just not playing it). It doesn't even matter if one society thinks to use your example 30% cover is enough and another 80%. What matters is why they think that. And as with your example of US 200 years, as with Islam still now, this motivation can be directly linked to a deep misogyny in its foundations.

Religion, and not just Islam but Christianity, too, was created to control the population and to oppress women.

So are you telling me that, regardless of how much people are expected to cover up, the fact that women are expected to cover up at all in order not to portray themselves sexually is misogyny, and similarly the fact that men are expected to cover up at all is misandry, and that a culture of nudism is superior to all others?

You have no point. Nothing you have said addresses any of the arguments made. There is no point actually writing something of substance to reply to you anymore. You are a broken record "but my nipples in the west", "but muh teenage daughter nipples in front of you".

Boring and more and more daft.

Answer my question with a yes or a no then.
Would you allow her to walk around topless in front of you at home or not?

As for why I specified "teenage daughter"; the question wouldn't have made sense had it been anyone else.



I think it's quite facetious not to admit that men and women are obviously very different when it comes to sexual arousal.

When people are actively trying to appear sexually appealing to the opposite gender (e.g. in a nightclub), why is it that women wear far more revealing clothes than men? Why do men's magazines contain far more images of scantily clad women than women's magazines contain of scantily clad men?

It makes perfect sense that if women reveal more than men when trying to appear sexually attractive, that they would cover more than men when trying not to portray themselves sexually.

No. I suggest you actually read the posts again.

My point is that covering up various parts of your body so as not to portray yourself sexually is a feature of every culture including your own, not just of Islam.

If you think Islam is misogynistic for expecting women to do this (and also misandristic for expecting men to do this), then the same is true of every culture in the world. The same is true of yourself if you insist on covering yourself before going out in public too, or if you encourage others to do the same.

This is what you wrote:

"It doesn't even matter if one society thinks to use your example 30% cover is enough and another 80%. What matters is why they think that."

We already know why they think that. All societies require both men and women to cover themselves to some extent so as not to portray themselves in a sexual manner. Islam thinks like this, Western culture thinks like this, and I strongly suspect that you do too (unless you're a nudist).

Do you live in the same country as me, because from what you've written there it certainly doesn't seem you do! Women are not encouraged to strip at every available opportunity and laughed at for not doing so! Have you been outside your house lately? Do you see most people walking round like strippers?

Read above. Not what I wrote.

This is what you do. You assume people have a certain argument, one that you have maybe heard before, or just want to be their argument because you can argue against it, who knows. At any rate, you are being either purposefully daft, or trolling.

No. I suggest you actually read the posts again. Actually you are probably not going to understand or just misrepresent it. So to make it clear to others. A society could say 80% covering up is the norm. Another could be 30%. While one might judge either of those based on ones own sexuality, what matters is a) the motivation behind the cultural rules in place and b) whether or not men and women are treated the same. With Islam we can trace a) directly to severe misogyny and b) is clearly not the case for men having to cover up as much as women. They may cover up more than western men, but that is irrelevant.

I know. You never leave the piste (I wish more people would do the same!)

The motivation behind the dress code in Islam is, as I have stated several times, the same as it is for every other culture. People are expected to cover up so as not to portray themselves to the public in a sexual manner. That's all it is.

I have already explained why men are not expected to cover up as much as women. It is quite obvious that men and women, in terms of sexual arousal due to the visual stimulus of the opposite sex, are not the same.

I wear the hijab and feel amazing.