Can you be racist to white people? Discuss

Vast majority of jobs have no such discrimination. Such cases are rare and are always inflated by the right to make it seem like it represents reality. You raising such a tiny thing that affects maybe a dozen jobs is further proof that you need to really scrape the bottom of the barrel to make an argument.

You kind of remind me of the CEO of tesco who thinks white people are facing extinction in high business positions when all 11 members of his board are white, including 8 white men.

There is no institionalised racism against whites because the establishment is white.

And do you think this is a positive thing?

Do you know how difficult it is for POC in the jobs market?

Yes, perhaps there are qoutas for ehtnic minorties to be picked for jobs, this does not mean if they are hiring 50 people for a job, all 50 will be black, this means that a percentage will be people of colour. It's usually to stop discrimination. There have been countless studies on people who have submitted the exact same CV's with white names and then non white names, who have only been successful in being invited to interview when submitting them with white names.

Don't you just think for one minute that its actually an appaling thing that we have had to resort to some sort of equality qouta in order to ensure that POC are represented in the jobs market? I dont get how this is racism - it's really just equality, it's not like the person of colour will be any less qualified if they are chosen for the job anyway.

And do you think this is a positive thing?

Do you know how difficult it is for POC in the jobs market?

Yes, perhaps there are qoutas for ehtnic minorties to be picked for jobs, this does not mean if they are hiring 50 people for a job, all 50 will be black, this means that a percentage will be people of colour. It's usually to stop discrimination. There have been countless studies on people who have submitted the exact same CV's with white names and then non white names, who have only been successful in being invited to interview when submitting them with white names.

Don't you just think for one minute that its actually an appaling thing that we have had to resort to some sort of equality qouta in order to ensure that POC are represented in the jobs market? I dont get how this is racism - it's really just equality, it's not like the person of colour will be any less qualified if they are chosen for the job anyway.

There is nothing wrong with that definition of racism.

You are right that reverse racism doesn't exist because it is simply racism. You can be racist to someone who is white, there is nothing holding that back from being a thing. In fact it happens quite commonly. In some universities in America they have degrees setup in which some of the modules are based around teaching white people that they are inherently racist and evil. Reverse the races and it is just as disgusting.

We learn from our past, we do not dwell on it and base our lives around tradition and horrible moral values once instilled in society. The western world has far better moral values and has done for decades now.

Also I don't know where you get this idea that white people as a race haven't faced tragedy in terms of genocide, 6-11 million Jews murdered based on faith, and Stalin killed tens of millions on ideology. The only difference between the murders of these tens of millions of people and the suffering of the black race in America (And elsewhere at the time) was the intent behind it, but that doesn't make it a less serious crime.

My biggest question to you is, why do you think it is OK to be racist towards white people, or at the very least do not class it as racism?

Lmao, I'm not a proponent of white genocide.

What's the establishment? How can this establishment be "white"? If the use of that adjective is describing the people who pertain to this establishment, wouldn't a single non-"white" person essentially break this? If so, the implication is that there are no non-"white" people in positions of power, which is absolute crap.

Vast majority of jobs have no such discrimination. Such cases are rare and are always inflated by the right to make it seem like it represents reality. You raising such a tiny thing that affects maybe a dozen jobs is further proof that you need to really scrape the bottom of the barrel to make an argument.

You kind of remind me of the CEO of tesco who thinks white people are facing extinction in high business positions when all 11 members of his board are white, including 8 white men.

There is no institionalised racism against whites because the establishment is white.

Judging from what I surrounded that statement with, do you think that I think that it's a good thing?

Discrimination cannot be used to combat discrimination. It creates more inequality by favouring individuals due to their race, what one may refer to as positive discrimination, and is that really the solution to inequalities that may exist?

Also, if the individual was not going to be picked in the first place, then the implication is, is that they are less fit for the job.

do you actually think poc are underrepresented simply because theyre poc or because of socio economic factors?

White people cannot face institutional racism in the western world.

It's not favouring individiuals, it's stopping employers from discriminating against individuals. If a company has 70 staff members in a branch, all of which are white, they may then bring in a qouta in which at least 5% of member are people of colour. Theres nothing wrong with this, it stops prejiduced employers from not employing people purely because of their skin colour.

Do you know whats funny, they have these qoutas for the amount of women employed in a company as well as the amount of people with disabilities employed in a company, where the same arguments you started above applied, and the same arguments I replied with apply, its all to combat discrimination and prejudice in the workplace. I guess you wouldn't have an issue with that though? Equality doesn't matter when it comes to race does it?

Don't give people the white man's definition who had no clue what it felt like to be a victim of mass oppression. REVERSE racism simply doesn't exist because it doesn't have the weight of institutionalised racism dating back centuries behind it. I can be prejudice, I can discriminatory to a white person but I can never be racist towards a white person.Maybe if the whites were lynched, enslaved and tortured on a mass scale such thing could exist. But lets be real white supremacy will never let it happen.

White people cannot face institutional racism in the western world. This is the form of racism that exists because of the establishment which discriminates against black and minority groups.

You can be racist to whites, but white people face far less racism than other groups of people. This is also not just a white vs non white thing.

Point is that when white people complain about racism, it's petty racism that they kick up a storm about when other people manage to live their lives perfectly well whilst also dealing with petty racism.

Non whites have been told for years that petty racism, name calling etc etc isnt a big deal, so I dont understand why white people feel so entitled

Institutional Racism: "racial discrimination that has become established as normal behavior within a society or organization."

For example, the normal behavior of calling all white people "racist to some extent". So yeah, white people can face institutional racism.

so a more qualified candidate can be rejected based on race simply because they had to meet a quota so had to hire some less qualified candidates just because theyre poc. makes sense.

"Institutional racism" is not only a useless argument, it is also a counterproductive one. We can't read minds, so we can't find it, measure it , or prove it. The sole evidence used to say it exists is the disproportionate social outcomes between the races. The implication is that "institutional racism will be alleged until equality of outcome is in parity without addressing any other possible cultural factors. How about we measure equality of opportunity instead of equality of outcome. If we can find a situation in which identifiable behavior or policies are racist, then we can fight it. Here is one...Black privilege. What should we do about this clearly racist policy?

The irony is that these types of measures end up hurting the groups they are trying improve. I don't believe telling your black kids that all their woes are the fault of a system rigged against them. That any failure they encounter are not their fault. Then we give them advantages on their test scores or lower standards to fill quotas.

"Hey look kid, there is this institutional boogey man out there who will always hold you back. We'll offer some privileges to you based on the color of your skin though. Now you will have this chip on your shoulder and people will wonder if you achieved your success on your own merits of if being black helped you get in to University/job/etc."

That's not normal behaviour. People who make such sweeping statements get called out and criticised all the time.

87% of this country is white, 63% of America is white, so how can it be the case that it's been established as normal behaviour? Do white people believe that they're all racist to some extent?

Because it's not just minorities that perpetuate the idea that all whites are racist, its also some white people themselves (usually SJWs) who contribute to this.

However, I do take your point that those who make these statements are criticized, but so are those who're racist to black people, and that isn't particularly common either.

And you're assuming the white person is more qualified are you?

How do you know that?

Do you understand how the market works?

If someone gets to the interview stage in a job, they are qualified enough, after that, its just seeing who is the most competitive.

Again, a qouta does not mean a company will be drowned with 500 people of colour, they wouldnt want to lose their racist customers due to only having POC working for them of course, the qouta will be something of around 1-5%, and its really just to combat discrimination and prejudice, that same way in which they have qoutas for employing a percentage of women in a company and a percentage of disabled people. No one complains about that but people love to complain about qoutas for race?

No one is suggesting that we should blame the institution for our problems, instead we should be making people at least aware of it and how to fight it.