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British Muslim protest Westminster attack "Not in our name"

You may have clicked expecting to see such a protest, but I'm writing this post to draw attention to the lack of one.

If there was an LGBT atheist left-wing terrorist group, you can be damn sure I would be protesting against them and saying "Not in our name". Unfortunately demonstrations where "extremists" scream pro-Al Qaeda chants and call for the West to be destroyed are more common than organised protests by the British Islamic community against Islamist terrorism.

If such a protest goes ahead I will give credit where it is due, but I'm not holding my breath. It seems that Islamist pro-terrorism nuts don't have to pay much of a social price within the British Islamic community. They are not shunned and ostracised, they know that they won't have trouble finding arranged spouses for thier children, they know they don't have to worry that others within the community will say "Ohh, you're pro-terrorism. I will not do business with you".

The community does not impose such a price on the pro-terrorists within their midst. Instead, vast amounts of energy, money, time, resources are expended by groups like the Muslim Council of Britain in attacking anti-extremism programmes like Prevent, in advocating for Guantanamo Bay detainees, in protesting against "excessive" prison sentences for people convicted of terrorism offences, and of course in protesting British foreign policy where said policy interferes with their "brothers" internationally (for we, their fellow citizens, are not considered their brothers, and international coalition operations in that part of the world is said to be an "invasion of our lands" )

This must end. It is madness, and it cannot be said "It has nothing to do with us" until the Muslim community takes active steps to make sure these people really do have nothing to do with them because they are expelled from the mosques, they are social pariahs, people will not allow their children to marry extremist children and they will not conduct business deals with them. Money talks, ******** walks, and if we saw that kind of action against the pro-terrorists, the refrain "nothing to do with us" would be much more compelling
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Didn't read.
Original post by AlexanderHam
You may have clicked expecting to see such a protest, but I'm writing this post to draw attention to the lack of one.

If there was an LGBT atheist left-wing terrorist group, you can be damn sure I would be protesting against them and saying "Not in our name". Unfortunately demonstrations where "extremists" scream pro-Al Qaeda chants and call for the West to be destroyed are more common than organised protests by the British Islamic community against Islamist terrorism.

If such a protest goes ahead I will give credit where it is due, but I'm not holding my breath. It seems that Islamist pro-terrorism nuts don't have to pay much of a social price within the British Islamic community. They are not shunned and ostracised, they know that they won't have trouble finding arranged spouses for thier children, they know they don't have to worry that others within the community will say "Ohh, you're pro-terrorism. I will not do business with you".

The community does not impose such a price on the pro-terrorists within their midst. Instead, vast amounts of energy, money, time, resources are expended by groups like the Muslim Council of Britain in attacking anti-extremism programmes like Prevent, in advocating for Guantanamo Bay detainees, in protesting against "excessive" prison sentences for people convicted of terrorism offences, and of course in protesting British foreign policy where said policy interferes with their "brothers" internationally (for we, their fellow citizens, are not considered their brothers, and international coalition operations in that part of the world is said to be an "invasion of our lands" )

This must end. It is madness, and it cannot be said "It has nothing to do with us" until the Muslim community takes active steps to make sure these people really do have nothing to do with them because they are expelled from the mosques, they are social pariahs, people will not allow their children to marry extremist children and they will not conduct business deals with them. Money talks, ******** walks, and if we saw that kind of action against the pro-terrorists, the refrain "nothing to do with us" would be much more compelling


You're right. If Islam is so "peaceful" and the Muslim community so "good" then they need to snap out of their silence and take action against the barbarism they condemn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcwA4RwCV80
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11996902/i-am-a-muslim-paris-attacks-social-media.html

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/not-my-name-rally-muslims-condemn-terrorism-name-islam-1529895

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/16/world/not-in-my-name-muslims-speak-out/

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/21/9770948/muslims-condemn-isis-reaction

http://abcnews.go.com/International/photos/muslims-unite-terrorisms-35280065/image-35328891

http://www.euronews.com/2015/11/22/not-in-my-name-demonstrators-denounce-violence-after-paris-attacks

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-34858514

http://abc7ny.com/society/muslims-speak-out-against-isis-following-paris-terror-attacks/1086310/


Also I wouldn't come out and protest if an atheist or socialist killed someone... A) Because I don't do [protests what with being scared of other people, B) why the hell should I? I didn't do anything and I don't do guilt by association.

Where were all the anti immigrant leave voters shouting not in my name when that fascist killed Jo Cox? You voted leave Alexander. Where were you?


And Muslims make up a large amount of the ground forces fighting ISIS.

Finally whilst religion seems a stupid way of grouping humans to me it is about as stupid as nationality. I'm a socialist before I am English as far as I am concerned. Therefore I don't hold it against someone for prioritising their religion above their nationality as a form of identity. This need to be first and foremost a citizen of your nation before all else has a whiff of fascism to it. It is not that these Islamist terrorists are not patriots that bothers me, it is that they go around killing people.
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Original post by AlexanderHam
You may have clicked expecting to see such a protest, but I'm writing this post to draw attention to the lack of one.

If there was an LGBT atheist left-wing terrorist group, you can be damn sure I would be protesting against them and saying "Not in our name". Unfortunately demonstrations where "extremists" scream pro-Al Qaeda chants and call for the West to be destroyed are more common than organised protests by the British Islamic community against Islamist terrorism.

If such a protest goes ahead I will give credit where it is due, but I'm not holding my breath. It seems that Islamist pro-terrorism nuts don't have to pay much of a social price within the British Islamic community. They are not shunned and ostracised, they know that they won't have trouble finding arranged spouses for thier children, they know they don't have to worry that others within the community will say "Ohh, you're pro-terrorism. I will not do business with you".

The community does not impose such a price on the pro-terrorists within their midst. Instead, vast amounts of energy, money, time, resources are expended by groups like the Muslim Council of Britain in attacking anti-extremism programmes like Prevent, in advocating for Guantanamo Bay detainees, in protesting against "excessive" prison sentences for people convicted of terrorism offences, and of course in protesting British foreign policy where said policy interferes with their "brothers" internationally (for we, their fellow citizens, are not considered their brothers, and international coalition operations in that part of the world is said to be an "invasion of our lands" )

This must end. It is madness, and it cannot be said "It has nothing to do with us" until the Muslim community takes active steps to make sure these people really do have nothing to do with them because they are expelled from the mosques, they are social pariahs, people will not allow their children to marry extremist children and they will not conduct business deals with them. Money talks, ******** walks, and if we saw that kind of action against the pro-terrorists, the refrain "nothing to do with us" would be much more compelling

Muslims don't have to take the responsibility for actions of others just because they follow the same religion. It's like classifying someone's identity race-wise, just in this example, it's done dependant on what God someone follows.
Original post by frostyy
Muslims don't have to take the responsibility for actions of others just because they follow the same religion. It's like classifying someone's identity race-wise, just in this example, it's done dependant on what God someone follows.
well, classifying by religion is not similar to classifying by race : race is an objective criterion, which cannot be modified, while religious allegiance can

while I agree that Muslims diverge hugely in their way of life and even in their beliefs, they do share some rituals, a religious vocabulary, some holy texts and some final aims and objectives

they diverge hugely on ways and means to attain those objectives : however, they do have something in common.

And, even if most Muslims do not share in any responsibility for these attacks, Islam -by its rhetoric and its stated objectives - is not entirely innocent

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I'd also like to add that the fascist who killed Jo Cox was a patriot. He did what he did because he loves his country and wanted to defend it. You can be a patriot and do awful inhuman things.
Who are they to tell us who is a true Muslim and who isn't, what authority do they have?

ISIS fighters do most the stuff ordinary Muslims do, besides killing people, obviously.

If a Christian sect were roaming around murdering innocents indiscriminately, I'd still consider them Christians.

****ing absurd.
How much of the Christian community protested against the KKK a few short decades ago?

Although I do think you raise a pretty valid point, the Islam community could do more to shun them, and in doing so would contribute positively to Islam's name. However they most likely know that in doing so they'd be placing a huge target on their own backs.
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Original post by Dodgypirate
Who are they to tell us who is a true Muslim and who isn't, what authority do they have?

ISIS fighters do most the stuff ordinary Muslims do, besides killing people, obviously.

If a Christian sect were roaming around murdering innocents indiscriminately, I'd still consider them Christians.

****ing absurd.


Considering that that would go against everything Christianity stands for, I wouldn't call them a Christian.
:facepalm:

ffs
Good for you; if unrelated people have to prove themselves to the ignorant, then it's like pandering to a banana peel for validation - it's fruitless (forgiving the pun).
Original post by AlexanderHam
If such a protest goes ahead I will give credit where it is due


We don't want your damn credit.

until the Muslim community takes active steps to make sure these people really do have nothing to do with them because they are expelled from the mosques, they are social pariahs, people will not allow their children to marry extremist children and they will not conduct business deals with them.


You cannot punish someone in advance for a crime they may or may not commit...
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i would say its not much to do with religion itself but more involves politics - specifically the politics surrounding the issues of Iraq mainly. Islamic extremism is the new force which seeks to replace the now defunct nationalist Baathism in Iraq mainly the result of the 2003 Iraq invasion which ripped the state of Iraq apart whereby the traditional systems/ structures had collapsed and replaced with new structures.


Also on the issue of why many Muslims don't seek out extremists from within etc. is that largely extremists are smart or wise and know how best to stay undercover and not seem abnormal.
These extremists come out from groups like that of Anjem Choudhury's.

We all know the moderates condemn the attack so there isn't much need to protest since theyre on a completely different side of the coin to the radicals.
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Even if they all did march against this,

I am going to guess you would still dislike Muslims and be against Islam in the West.
Original post by Dodgypirate
Who are they to tell us who is a true Muslim and who isn't, what authority do they have?

ISIS fighters do most the stuff ordinary Muslims do, besides killing people, obviously.

If a Christian sect were roaming around murdering innocents indiscriminately, I'd still consider them Christians.

****ing absurd.


Doesn't matter. The point is extremists are being ostracised and rightly so.
You wish. It's done in your name because none of you dared to stand up and openly denounced it. Silence means consent.
London attack: British Muslim council condemns 'cowardly and depraved' Westminster terror incident 'There is no justification for this act whatsoever,' says Muslim Council of Britain

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/london-attack-isis-muslim-council-britain-westminster-terror-cowardly-depraved-harun-khan-solidarity-a7646201.html

The identity of the perpetrator has only just been confirmed. What more do you want? It was just as likely that muslims could have been on the random people on the bridge.

The last thing the emergency services need at the moment is a march and a drain on resources. They have quite enough to deal with.
How very silly

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