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    Hi to all of you
    First I would like to thank you for giving me the chance to present what I have collected and those who feel so bored and bothered , I'm asking you to take a look and I promise it won't be a waste of time
    One thing to all of you here, please don't argue for the sake of arguing, give yourselves a chance to think of what is presented… I don't want anybody to support me, just try to see things from another corner the way these scientists have seen them everything is supported by science which your western community is developing. They are not making anything up " why would they do so?" they didn't waste their time for nothing… there is something behind all of this… I tried to make it as short , I even excluded so many things, so you wouldn't feel bored but it's really interesting even if it's long but it has to be… I hope you are all ok with it
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    (1) From Non-Being to Being
    The coming of the universe into being from non-being is the greatest proof possible that it has been created. Consideration of this fact will change a lot of things. It helps people understand the meaning of life and review their attitudes and purposes. This is why many scientific communities have tried to disregard the fact of creation which they could not fully comprehend, even though its evidence was clear to them. The fact that all scientific evidence points to the existence of a Creator has compelled them to invent alternatives and thus create confusion in the minds of people.

    (2) The Signs in the Heavens and on the Earth
    Everything, every detail from the atom, the smallest unit of matter, to the galaxies harboring billions of stars, from the moon, an inseparable adjunct of the world, to the solar system - all work in perfect harmony. This well-organized system runs flawlessly, just like a watch. People are so confident that this billions-of-years-old system will go on functioning without leaving out even the smallest detail that they can freely make plans about something they think will be realized in the next 10 years. No one is worried about whether the sun will rise the next day. A great majority of people do not think about "whether the world may ever chance to break free from the gravitation of the sun and start to move towards the unknown in the pitch-dark space"; or ask "What keeps this from happening?"
    You notice an excellent order prevailing in every spot you turn your eyes on. Certainly, there is a great power that creates such an order and harmony. The possessor of this great power is God, Who created everything out of nothing. In a verse of the Quran, it is said: He Who has created seven heavens in full harmony with one another: no incongruity will you see in the creation of the Most Gracious. And turn your vision (upon it) once more: can you see any flaw? Yea, turn your vision (upon it) again and yet again: (and every time) your vision will fall back upon you, dazzled and truly defeated. (The Quran, 67:3-4)
    THE MIRACLES IN OUR BODY
    The Ability to See
    What comes to your mind first when you hear the word "eye"? Are you aware that one of the most crucial things in life for you is your ability to see? The eye is one of the most manifest pieces of evidence that living creatures are created. In order for an eye to see, all of its parts have to co-exist and work in harmony. For instance, if an eye happened to have lost its eyelid, but still had all the other parts, it would still be greatly damaged and soon lose its seeing function. In the same manner, even if all its organelles were present, if the tear production were stopped, the eye would soon dry out and become blind.
    In this case, we again face that very important question: who created all of the components of the eye all at once? Say: He it is Who brought you into being and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts: little is it that you give thanks. (The Quran, 67:23)
    The Army Inside Man
    Every day, a war is fought in the innermost parts of your body unperceived by you. On the one side are viruses and bacteria that aim to intrude into your body and take it under control and on the other are the immunity cells that protect the body against these enemies.
    This excellent army is the immune system in the human body. How many people are aware that they have such an organized, disciplined and perfect army inside their bodies? How many of them are aware that they are surrounded on all sides by microbes that, if unimpeded, would cause them to catch serious illnesses or even die?
    Therefore, it is impossible for a person without an immunity system to survive in a primitive environment. This leads us to the conclusion that an extremely complex system such as the immune system could only have been created all at once and with all of its elements intact.

    ANIMALS AND PLANTS

    Millions of plant and animal types present in the world stand out as evidence that proves the existence and might of our Creator.

    The Symmetry in Wings
    When we look at the butterfly wings, we see a perfect symmetry prevailing over them. The patterns and colors on left and right are perfect reflections of each other, no matter how intricate they may seem. Even the smallest dot is present on both wings, thereby introducing a flawless order and symmetry.
    In addition, none of the colors on these thin wings mixes with the other, each being sharply set apart from the other. They are as neat and elegant as if made by an artist. And they are indeed made by an Exalted Creator.

    The Animal with the Longest Neck: The Giraffe
    Giraffes have many amazing characteristics. One of these is that their neck stands on 7 vertebrae, just like that of all other mammals, even though it is so long. Another amazing fact about giraffes is that they do not have any problem pumping blood up to their brain on top of their long neck. A little thinking would make one notice how difficult it must be to have the blood pumped so high. But giraffes do not have any problem about this, because their hearts are equipped with features to pump blood as high as necessary. This enables them to carry on with their lives effortlessly.
    There is no doubt that the giraffes did not acquire these traits by planning themselves in accordance with their needs. If any one of these characteristics did not exist or did not function properly, then it would be impossible for the giraffe to go on living.
    The conclusion to be derived from all this is that the giraffe species was born into the world with all the characteristics vital for its living already there. It is impossible for a non-existent being to master its body and acquire essential traits consciously. So, the very existence of giraffes unquestionably proves that they are created by a conscious creation, that is by God.

    (3) Scientists Confirm the Signs of God
    What we have covered so far shows us that the attributes of the universe discovered by science point to the existence of God. Science leads us to the conclusion that the universe has a Creator and this Creator is perfect in might, wisdom and knowledge. It is religion that shows us the way to knowing God. It is therefore possible to say that science is a method we use to better see and investigate the realities addressed by religion.
    Today, there are scientists who confirm God's existence, and regard science as a way of knowing Him. Some trends developing in the USA such as "Creationism" or "Intelligent Design" prove by scientific evidence that all living things were created by God.
    Islam particularly advocates scientific enquiry, and announces that probing the universe is a method to explore the creation of God. The following verse of the Quran addresses this issue; Do they not look at the sky above them? How We have built it and adorned it, and there are no rifts therein? And the earth - We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and caused it to bring forth plants of beauteous kinds (in pairs). And We send down from the sky blessed water whereby We give growth unto gardens and the grain of crops. And tall palm-trees, with shoots of fruit-stalks, piled one over another. (The Quran, 50:6-7, 9-10)
    One of the professors of physics at Oxford University, Robert Matthews, states the same fact in his book published in 1992 where he explains that DNA molecules were created by God:
    Some other scientists who admit that the universe is created by a Creator and who are known by their cited attributes are: Robert Boyle (the father of modern chemistry), Iona William Petty (known for his studies on statistics and modern economy), Michael Faraday (one of the greatest physicists of all times), Gregory Mendel (the father of genetics; he invalidated Darwinism with his discoveries in the science of genetics), Louis Pasteur (the greatest name in bacteriology; he declared war on Darwinism), John Dalton (the father of atomic theory), Blaise Pascal (one of the most important mathematicians), John Ray (the most important name in British natural history), Nicolaus Steno (a famous stratiographer who investigated earth layers), Carolus Linnaeus (the father of biological classification), Georges Cuvier (the founder of comparative anatomy), Matthew Maury (the founder of oceanography), Thomas Anderson (one the pioneers in the field of organic chemistry)
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    God has supported His last revealed book, the Holy Quran, with many miracles that prove that this Quran is the literal word of God, revealed by Him, and that it was not authored by any human being.

    (1) The Scientific Miracles in the Holy Quran
    The Quran is the literal word of God, which He revealed to His Prophet Muhammad through the Angel Gabriel. It was memorized by Muhammad, who then dictated it to his companions. They, in turn, memorized it, wrote it down, and reviewed it with the prophet Muhammad
    The Quran, which was revealed fourteen centuries ago, mentioned facts only recently discovered by scientist. This proves without doubt that the Quran must be the literal word of God, revealed by Him to the prophet Muhammad, and that the Quran was not authorized by Muhammad or by any other human being. This also proves that Muhammad (peace be upon him) is truly a prophet sent by God. It is beyond reason that anyone fourteen hundred years ago would have known these facts discovered or proven only recently with advanced equipment and sophisticated scientific method. Some examples follow.

    A)the Quran on Human Embryonic Development:
    In the Holy Quran, God speaks about the stages of man’s embryonic development: {We created man from an extract of clay. Then We made him as a drop in a place of settlement, firmly fixed. Then We made the drop into an alaqa (leech, suspended thing, and blood clot), then We made the alaqa into a mudgha (chewed substance)..} (Quran 23:12-14).
    literally, the Arabic word alaqa has three meanings:
    (1) leech
    (2) suspended thing,
    (3) blood clot.
    In comparing a leech to an embryo in the alaqh stage, we find similarity between the two as Moore and Persaud mentioned in their book The developing Human . Also, the embryo at this stage obtains nourishment from the blood of the mother, similar to the leech, which feeds on the blood of others. The second meaning of the word alaqah is “suspended thing”. The suspension of the embryo, during the alaqah stage, in the womb of the mother. The third meaning of the word alaqah is ”blood clot”. We find that the external appearance of the embryo and it is sacs during the alaqah stage is similar to that of a blood clot. This is due to the presence of relatively large amount of blood present in the embryo during this stage. Also, during this stage, the blood in the embryo does not circulate until the end of the third week. Thus, the embryo at this stage is like a clot of blood.
    So the three meanings of the word alaqah correspond accurately to the descriptions of the embryo at the alaqah stage.
    The next stage mentioned in the verse is the mudghah stage. The Arabic word mudghah means “chewed substance”. If one were to take a piece of gum and chew it in his or her mouth and then compare it with an embryo at the mudghah stage, we would conclude that the embryo at the mudghah stage is similar in appearance to a chewed substance. This is because of the somites at the back of the embryo that “somewhat resemble teeth marks in a chewed substance”
    How could Muhammad have possibly known all this about fourteen hundred years ago, when scientists have only recently discovered this using advanced equipment and powerful microscopes which did not exist at that time? Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells using an improved microscope in 1677( more than 1000years after Muhammad). They mistakenly thought that the sperm cell contained a miniature performed human being that grew when it was deposited in the female genital tract.

    B) the Quran on Mountains:
    A book entitled Earth is a basic reference textbook in many universities around the world. One of its authors is professors Emeritus Frank Press. He was the Science Advisor to former US President Jimmy Carter, and for 12 years was the President of the National Academy of Sciences. Washington, DC. His book says that mountains have underlying roots. These roots are deeply embedded in the ground, thus, mountains have a shape like a peg.
    This how the Quran has described mountains. God said in the Quran:
    { Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs?} (Quran, 78:6-7).
    Modern earth sciences have proven that mountains have deep roots under the surface of the ground and that these roots can reach several times their elevations above the surface of the ground. So the most suitable word to describe mountains on the basis of this information is the word “peg” since most of a properly set peg is hidden under the surface of the ground.
    The history of science tells us that the theory of mountains having deep roots was introduced only in 1865 by the Astronomer Royal, Sir George Airy.
    Mountains also play an important role in stabilizing the crust of the earth. They hinder the shaking of the earth. God has said in the Quran:
    { And He has set firm mountains in the earth so that it would not shake with you...} (Quran, 16:15)
    Likewise, the modern theory of plate tectonics holds that mountains work as stabilizers for the earth. This knowledge about the role of mountains as stabilizers for the earth has just begun to be understood in the framework of plate tectonics since the late 1960’s.
    Could anyone during the time of the prophet Muhammad have known of the true shape of the mountains? Could anyone imagine that the solid massive mountain which he sees before him actually extends deep into the earth and has a root, as scientific affirm? Modern geology has confirmed the truth of the Quranic verses.

    C) The Quran on the Origin of the Universe:
    The science of modern cosmology, observational and theoretical, clearly indicates that, at one point in the time, the whole universe was nothing but a cloud of smoke (i.e. an opaque highly dense and hot gaseous composition). This is one of the undisputed principles of standard modern cosmology. Scientists now observe new stars forming out of the remnants of that smoke. The illuminating stars we see at night were, just as was the whole universe, in that smoke material. God has said in the Quran
    {Then He turned the heaven when it was smoke..} ( Quran, 41:11).
    Because the earth and the heavens above ( the sun, the moon, stars , planets, galaxies, etc.) have been formed from this same smoke, we conclude that the earth and the heavens were one connected entity. Then out of this homogeneous smoke, they formed and separated from each other. God has said in the Quran:
    {Have not those disbelieved known that the heavens and the earth were one connected entity, then We separated them?..} ( Quran, 21:30).
    Dr. Alfred Kroner is one of the world’s renowned geologists. He is professor of Geology and the Chairman of the department of Geology at the Institute of Geosciences, Johannes Gutenberg University, Mainz, Germany. He said: “ Thinking where Muhammad came from... I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years, with very complicated and advanced technological methods, that this is the case.” Also he said: “Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics fourteen hundred years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind, for instance, that the earth and the heavens had the same origin.”
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    D) The Quran on Seas and Rivers:
    Modern Science has discovered that in the places where two different seas meet, there is a barrier between them. This barrier divides the two seas so that each sea has its own temperature, salinity and density. For example, Mediterranean sea water is warm, saline and less dense, compared to Atlantic ocean water. When Mediterranean sea water enters the Atlantic over the Gibraltar sill, it moves several hundreds kilometers into the Atlantic at a depth of about 1000 meters with its own warm, saline and less dense characteristics. The Mediterranean water stabilizes at this depth.
    Although there are large waves, strong currents and tides in these seas, they do not mix transgress this barrier.
    The Holy Quran mentioned that there is a barrier between two seas that meet and that they do not transgress. Gad has said :
    { He has set free the two seas meeting together. There is a barrier between them. They do not transgress} (Quran, 55:19-20)
    But when the Quran speaks about the divider between fresh and salt water, it mentioned the existence of “ a forbidding partitions” with the barrier. God has said in the Quran:
    { He is the one who has set free the two kinds of water, one sweet and palatable, and the other salty and bitter. And He has made between them a barrier and a forbidding partition.} (Quran, 25:53)
    One may ask, why did the Quran mention the partition when speaking about the divider between fresh and salt water, but did not mention it speaking about the divider between the two seas ?
    Modern Sciences has discovered that in estuaries, where fresh (sweet) and salt water meet, the situation is somewhat different from what is found in places where seas meet. It has been discovered that what distinguishes fresh water from salt water in estuaries is a “pycnocline zone with a marked density discontinuity separating the two layers” This partition (zone of separation) has a different salinity from fresh water and from salt water.
    This information has been discovered only recently, using advanced equipment to measure temperature salinity, density, oxygen dissolubility, etc. The human eye cannot see the difference between the two seas that meet, rather the two seas appear to us as one homogeneous sea. Likewise, the human eye cannot see the division of water in estuaries into the three kinds, fresh water, salt water and the partition (zone of separation).

    E) The Quran on Deep Seas and Internal Waves:
    God has said in Quran :
    {Or (the unbelievers’ state) is like the darkness in a deep sea . It is covered by waves above which are waves, above which are clouds. Darknesses, one above another. If a man stretches out his hand, he cannot see it ..} ( Quran, 24:40)
    This verse mentions the darkness found in deep seas and oceans, where if a man stretches out his hand, he cannot see it. The darkness in deep seas and oceans is found around a depth of 200 meters and below. At this depth, there is almost no light. Below a depth of 1000 meters there is no light at all. Human beings are not able to dive more than forty meters without the aid of submarines or special equipment. Human beings cannot survive unaided in the deep dark part of the oceans, such as a depth of 200 meters.
    Scientists have recently discovered this darkness by means of special equipment and submarines that have enabled them to dive into the depth of oceans.
    We can also understand from the following sentences in the previous verse, “..in a deep sea. It is covered by waves, above which are waves, above which are clouds…”, that the deep waters of seas and oceans are covered by waves, and above these waves are other waves. It is clear that the second set of waves are the surface waves that we see, because the verse mentions that above the second waves are clouds. But what about the first waves? Scientists have recently discovered that there are internal waves which ”occur on density interface between layers of different densities” Oceanography, Gross, p.205. the internal waves cover the deep waters of seas and oceans because the deep waters have a higher density than the water above them. Internal waves act like surface waves. They can also break, just like surface waves. Internal waves cannot be seen by the human eye, but they can be detected by studying temperature or salinity changes at a given locations.

    (2) The Great Challenge to Produce One
    Chapter Like the Chapters of the Holy Quran
    God has said in the Quran:
    {And if you are in doubt about what we have revealed (the Quran) to Our worshiper (Muhammad), then produce a chapter like it and call your witnesses(supporters and helpers) besides God if you are truthful. And if you do not do it, and you can never do it, then fear the Fire(Hell) whose fuel is men and stones. It has been prepared for disbelievers. And give good news ( O Muhammad) to those who believe and do good deeds, that for them are gardens (Paradise) in which rivers flow..}(Quran, 2:23-25)
    Ever since the Quran was revealed, fourteen centuries ago, no one has been able to produce a single chapter like the chapters of the Quran in their beauty, eloquence, splendor, wise legislation, true information, true prophecy and other perfect attributes. Also, note that the smallest chapter in the Quran (Chapter 108) is only ten words, yet no one has ever been able to meet this challenge, then or today. Some of the disbelievers Arabs who were enemies of Muhammad tried to meet this challenge to prove that Muhammad was not a true prophet, but they failed to do so. This failure was despite the fact that the Quran was revealed in their own language and dialect and that the Arabs at the time of Muhammad were a very eloquent people who used to compose beautiful and excellent poetry, still read and appreciated today.

    (3) The Verses in the Quran That Mention
    Future Events Which Later Came to Pass
    One example of the events foretold in the Quran is the victory of the Romans over the Persians within three to nine years after the Romans were defeated by the Persians. God has said in the Quran:
    { The Romans have been defeated in the nearest land (to the Arabian Peninsula), and they, after their defeat, will be victorious within bedd’ (three to nine) years.... } (Quran, 30:2-4)
    Let us see what history tells us about these wars. A book entitled History of the Byzantine State says that the Roman army was badly defeated at Antioch in 613, and as a result, the Persians swiftly pushed forward on all fronts. At that time, it was hard to imagine that the Romans would defeat the Persians, but the Quran foretold that the Romans would be victorious within three to nine years. In 622, nine years after the Romans’ defeat, the two forces (Romans and Persians) met on Armenian soil, and the result was the decisive victory of the Romans over the Persians, for the first time after the Romans’ defeat in 613. The prophecy was fulfilled just as God has said in the Quran.
    There are also many other verses in the Quran and sayings of the Prophet Muhammad that mention future events which later came to pass.
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    God has supported His last Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) with many miracles and much evidence which proves that he is a true Prophet sent by God.
    (1) Biblical Prophecies on the Advent of
    Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam
    In Deuteronomy 18, Moses stated that God told him: “I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy 18:18-19) The NIV Study Bible, New International Version on verse 1:21, p. 1594.
    From these verses we conclude that the prophet in this prophecy must have the following three characteristics:
    1) That he will be like Moses.
    2) That he will come from the brothers of the Israelites, i.e. the Ishmaelites.
    3) That God will put His words in to the mouth of this prophet and that he will declare what God commands him.
    Let us examine these three characteristics in more depth:
    1) A prophet like Moses:
    There were hardly any two prophets who were so much alike as Moses and Muhammad. Both were given a comprehensive law and code of life. Both encountered their enemies and were victorious in miraculous ways. Both were accepted as prophets and statesmen. Both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them. Analogies between Moses and Jesus overlook not only the above similarities but other crucial ones as well. These include the natural birth, the family life, and death of Moses and Muhammad but not of Jesus. Moreover Jesus was regarded by his followers as the Son of God and not exclusively as a prophet of God, as Moses and Muhammad were and as Muslims believe Jesus was. So, this prophecy refers to the Prophet Muhammad and not to Jesus, because Muhammad is more like Moses than Jesus.
    Also, one notices from the Gospel of John that the Jews were waiting for the fulfillment of three distinct prophecies. The first was the coming of Christ. The second was the coming of Elijah. The third was the coming of the Prophet. This is obvious from the three questions that were posed to John the Baptist: “Now this was John’s testimony, when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him who he was. He did not fail to confess, but confessed freely, “I am not the Christ.” They asked him, “Then who are you? Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.” (John 1:19-21). If we look in a Bible with cross-references, we will find in the marginal notes where the words “the Prophet” occur in John 1:21, that these words refer to the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18:15 and 18:18. We conclude from this that Jesus Christ is not the prophet mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:18.
    2) From the brothers of the Israelites:
    Abraham had two sons, Ishmael and Isaac (Genesis 21). Ishmael became the grandfather of the Arab nation, and Isaac became the grandfather of the Jewish nation. The prophet spoken of was not to come from among the Jews themselves, but from among their brothers, i.e. the Ishmaelites. Muhammad, a descendant of Ishmael, is indeed this prophet.
    Also, Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the servant of God, His “chosen one” and “messenger” who will bring down a law. “He will not falter or be discouraged till he establishes justice on earth. In his law the islands will put their hope.” (Isaiah 42:4). Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Kedar. Who is Kedar? According to Genesis 25:13, Kedar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of the Prophet Muhammad .
    3) God will put His words in the mouth of this prophet:
    The words of God (the Holy Quran) were truly put into Muhammad’s mouth. God sent the Angel Gabriel to teach Muhammad the exact words of God (the Holy Quran) and asked him to dictate them to the people as he heard them. The words are therefore not his own. They did not come from his own thoughts, but were put into his mouth by the Angel Gabriel. During the life time of Muhammad, and under his supervision, these words were then memorized and written by his companions.
    Note that God has said in the prophecy of Deuteronomy 18, “If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy, 18:19). This means that whoever believes in the Bible must believe in what this prophet says, and this prophet is the Prophet Muhammad.

    (2) Miracles Performed by
    the Prophet Muhammad
    Many miracles were performed by the Prophet Muhammad by God’s permission. These miracles were witnessed by many people. For example:
    • When the unbelievers in Makkah asked the Prophet Muhammad to show them a miracle, he showed them the splitting of the moon, narrated in Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #3637, and Saheeh Muslim, #2802.
    • Another miracle was the flowing of water through Muhammad’s fingers when his companions got thirsty and had no water except a little in a vessel. They came to him and told him that they had no water to make ablution nor to drink except for what was in the vessel. So, Muhammad put his hand in the vessel, and the water started gushing out between his fingers. So, they drank and made ablution. They were one thousand five hundred companions, narrated in Saheeh Al-Bukhari, #3576, and Saheeh Muslim, #1856.
    There were also many other miracles that were performed by him or which happened to him.
    (3) The Simple Life of Muhammad
    If we compare the life of Muhammad before his mission as a prophet and his life after he began his mission as a prophet, we will conclude that it is beyond reason to think that Muhammad was a false prophet, who claimed prophethood to attain material gains, greatness, glory, or power.
    Before his mission as a prophet, Muhammad had no financial worries. As a successful and reputed merchant, Muhammad drew a satisfactory and comfortable income. After his mission as a prophet and because of it, he became worse off materially. Muhammad lived this hard life till he died although the Muslim treasury was at his disposal, the greater part of the Arabian Peninsula was Muslim before he died, and the Muslims were victorious after eighteen years of his mission.
    Is it possible that Muhammad might have claimed prophethood in order to attain status, greatness, and power? The desire to enjoy status and power is usually associated with good food, fancy clothing, monumental palaces, colorful guards, and indisputable authority. Do any of these indicators apply to Muhammad? A few glimpses of his life that may help answer this question follow.
    Despite his responsibilities as a prophet, a teacher, a statesman, and a judge, Muhammad used to milk his goat, mend his clothes, repair his shoes, help with the household work, and visit poor people when they got sick. He also helped his companions in digging a trench by moving sand with them. His life was an amazing model of simplicity and humbleness.
    Muhammad and his few followers did not only suffer from persecution for thirteen years but the unbelievers even tried to kill Muhammad several times. On one occasion they attempted to kill him by dropping a large boulder, which could barely be lifted, on his head. Another time they tried to kill him by poisoning his food. What could justify such a life of suffering and sacrifice even after he was fully triumphant over his adversaries? What could explain the humbleness and nobility which he demonstrated in his most glorious moments when he insisted that success is due only to God’s help and not to his own genius? Are these the characteristics of a power-hungry or a self-centered man?
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    Just a question: Even if the universe was created, how do you know it was your God?

    Why did ancient cultures such as the Egyptions and Greeks/Romans get it wrong?
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    If the universe was created by God then who created God. Thank note you saying that God is allowed to exist on his own allows me to say the same about the universe.
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    Is preaching still legal?
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    (Original post by AmOM3536)
    Hi to all of you
    First I would like to thank you for giving me the chance to present what I have collected and those who feel so bored and bothered , I'm asking you to take a look and I promise it won't be a waste of time
    no thank you. multiple post, copy and paste threads are not welcome.
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    (Original post by vienna95)
    no thank you. multiple post, copy and paste threads are not welcome.
    Yay, Vienna's back!

    On topic, hey Amom, yeah please don't cut and paste. You'll only end up defending someone else's work, and that's much harder than defending your own opinions. If you feel we need to discuss an issue, pose a question, and then perhaps reference the arcticle as back-up to your points. I'm sure I could also cut and paste evidence for whatever religion I wanted to discuss.
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    I just read that whole thing -there goes five minutes of my life that I will never get back!!!!
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    Time for my biblical post...
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    (1) From non-being to being.
    I agree this is the greatest argument possible that is has been created [by a god].
    But of the arguments, none are particularly great - all are weak and conveniently untestable.

    As for the "all scientific evidence points to the existence of a Creator" - this is basically wrong. Even if it isn't, you cannot make assertions like this without any backup. And as it is wrong, the previous sentence was flawed, where you said "many scientific communities have tried to disregard the fact of creation". It is not a fact until tested, and as it stands it is untestable.

    You have the wrong attitude towards science if you think scientists "invent alternatives and thus create confusion in the minds of people". Science is based on proof. So far, the creation theory has none. Darwinism has proof in the form of your tailbone and fossils, therefore it is a more popular theory among scientists. Do you not think it is acceptable to judge a theory on the amount of solid reason (proof) it has to say it is the true theory? This is what scientists do.
    I'm trying my best to be completely unbiased in this analysis, but I'd like to point out that if your religion is ever shown to be wrong, that it what will be seen as the invention. If scientists, among the cleverest people among the world (Newton, Einstein, Maxwell..) cannot comprehend a simplistic theory such as this, then how can a small boy? In my opinion, they can comprehend it but do not take it seriously - why? Back to the famous word - proof.

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    Fisrt: flawless is ambiguous. Define what you would expect as a flaw. Flawed is opinion - it is based on whether someone believes a system to be working in order, and so it is not possible to apply this to the universe as no one knows how the universe "should" have worked. If Mars' orbit were to be inside the Earth's, would that constitute a flaw? Or would it simply show there were different events leading upto the formation of planets in the solar system?
    Second: Your sudden jump:

    "You notice an excellent order prevailing in every spot you turn your eyes on. Certainly, there is a great power that creates such an order and harmony."

    Yes, I do notice an excellent order prevailing in every spot. No, there need be no great power. If anything this power is, it's not certain.
    This jump from description to conjecture is lacking reason, which is why I don't believe it.

    Believe me, I am keeping an open mind during this, but an open mind is not nessecarily one that is persuaded one way or the next based on proofless statements. If I want to find the truth, then the way to do it is not to believe things such as "The possessor of this great power is God, Who created everything out of nothing." This is just you adding to the unproven content of the post.

    As for the eye part, I agree it is extremely well made and delicate, but you are simply preaching here.
    Symmetry of wings: well surprise surprise, I guess when they were evolving, on average, birds flew as much left as they did right. My point? This, relative to evolution, does not prove anything.
    Long neck: Again, ecolution explains this. I don't think you understand it - giraffes did not order long necks because they saw tall trees, they evolved long necks.

    (3) Scientists Confirm the Signs of God

    Although you haven't shown anything so far, merely preached and jumped from observations to assertions, I'll bear with you.
    I'll also try to resist bias, because your assertion that science points to god is ironicly unscientific (lacking proof).

    If you have any proof of this creationism, please post it. Because I don't believe there is any.

    As for a short list of scientists believing in god, I don't see how a minority can fairly give the impression that "Scientists Confirm the Signs of God" ['scientists' implying all scientists].
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    no thank you. multiple post, copy and paste threads are not welcome.
    I think that the post was very interesting although there was much that I didn't agree with. It provides a very informative base which people can refer to. You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I believe it should be there for the referance of people who want it.
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    (1) From Non-Being to Being
    The coming of the universe into being from non-being is the greatest proof possible that it has been created.
    No it isn't. We do not know that the universe " came into being from non-being" in the first place. We know that the universe appeared to be completely different from what it is now at some point in the past, but that does not mean it did not then exist. Please establish that the universe actually did "come into being from non-being" before you go any further.
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    No it isn't. We do not know that the universe " came into being from non-being" in the first place. We know that the universe appeared to be completely different from what it is now at some point in the past, but that does not mean it did not then exist. Please establish that the universe actually did "come into being from non-being" before you go any further.
    I'll add to that:
    Besides just because we cannot comprehend something can just come into being on its own does not mean that something has to have created it. By saying that something (ie God) has created the universe is a nonsencial answer becuase it is not actualy an answer at all; its just adding another step to it (instead of why did the universe just come into being you have to then ask why did God just come into being). Another thing is that particles just appear from where there was nothing before (apart from energy) all the time - does this mean that there is an infinete supply of Gods all creating their own miniture big bangs in the form of these particles?
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    (Original post by randdom)
    I think that the post was very interesting although there was much that I didn't agree with. It provides a very informative base which people can refer to. You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I believe it should be there for the referance of people who want it.
    i find a great deal of interest in a great number of things, but im not going to copy-paste a mass amount of material into a forum. and it has to be stressed, this a forum. webspace is freely available, that is a more appropriate environment for "informative references" such as this.
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    Yay, Vienna's back!

    On topic, hey Amom, yeah please don't cut and paste. You'll only end up defending someone else's work, and that's much harder than defending your own opinions. If you feel we need to discuss an issue, pose a question, and then perhaps reference the arcticle as back-up to your points. I'm sure I could also cut and paste evidence for whatever religion I wanted to discuss.
    the thread title is totally inappropriate aswell.
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    (2) The Signs in the Heavens and on the Earth
    Everything, every detail from the atom, the smallest unit of matter, to the galaxies harboring billions of stars, from the moon, an inseparable adjunct of the world, to the solar system - all work in perfect harmony. This well-organized system runs flawlessly, just like a watch. People are so confident that this billions-of-years-old system will go on functioning without leaving out even the smallest detail that they can freely make plans about something they think will be realized in the next 10 years. No one is worried about whether the sun will rise the next day. A great majority of people do not think about "whether the world may ever chance to break free from the gravitation of the sun and start to move towards the unknown in the pitch-dark space"; or ask "What keeps this from happening?"
    You notice an excellent order prevailing in every spot you turn your eyes on. Certainly, there is a great power that creates such an order and harmony. The possessor of this great power is God, Who created everything out of nothing. In a verse of the Quran, it is said: He Who has created seven heavens in full harmony with one another: no incongruity will you see in the creation of the Most Gracious. And turn your vision (upon it) once more: can you see any flaw? Yea, turn your vision (upon it) again and yet again: (and every time) your vision will fall back upon you, dazzled and truly defeated. (The Quran, 67:3-4)
    THE MIRACLES IN OUR BODY
    The Ability to See
    What comes to your mind first when you hear the word "eye"? Are you aware that one of the most crucial things in life for you is your ability to see? The eye is one of the most manifest pieces of evidence that living creatures are created. In order for an eye to see, all of its parts have to co-exist and work in harmony. For instance, if an eye happened to have lost its eyelid, but still had all the other parts, it would still be greatly damaged and soon lose its seeing function. In the same manner, even if all its organelles were present, if the tear production were stopped, the eye would soon dry out and become blind.
    In this case, we again face that very important question: who created all of the components of the eye all at once? Say: He it is Who brought you into being and made for you the ears and the eyes and the hearts: little is it that you give thanks. (The Quran, 67:23)
    The Army Inside Man
    Every day, a war is fought in the innermost parts of your body unperceived by you. On the one side are viruses and bacteria that aim to intrude into your body and take it under control and on the other are the immunity cells that protect the body against these enemies.
    This excellent army is the immune system in the human body. How many people are aware that they have such an organized, disciplined and perfect army inside their bodies? How many of them are aware that they are surrounded on all sides by microbes that, if unimpeded, would cause them to catch serious illnesses or even die?
    Therefore, it is impossible for a person without an immunity system to survive in a primitive environment. This leads us to the conclusion that an extremely complex system such as the immune system could only have been created all at once and with all of its elements intact.

    ANIMALS AND PLANTS

    Millions of plant and animal types present in the world stand out as evidence that proves the existence and might of our Creator.

    The Symmetry in Wings
    When we look at the butterfly wings, we see a perfect symmetry prevailing over them. The patterns and colors on left and right are perfect reflections of each other, no matter how intricate they may seem. Even the smallest dot is present on both wings, thereby introducing a flawless order and symmetry.
    In addition, none of the colors on these thin wings mixes with the other, each being sharply set apart from the other. They are as neat and elegant as if made by an artist. And they are indeed made by an Exalted Creator.

    The Animal with the Longest Neck: The Giraffe
    Giraffes have many amazing characteristics. One of these is that their neck stands on 7 vertebrae, just like that of all other mammals, even though it is so long. Another amazing fact about giraffes is that they do not have any problem pumping blood up to their brain on top of their long neck. A little thinking would make one notice how difficult it must be to have the blood pumped so high. But giraffes do not have any problem about this, because their hearts are equipped with features to pump blood as high as necessary. This enables them to carry on with their lives effortlessly.
    There is no doubt that the giraffes did not acquire these traits by planning themselves in accordance with their needs. If any one of these characteristics did not exist or did not function properly, then it would be impossible for the giraffe to go on living.
    The conclusion to be derived from all this is that the giraffe species was born into the world with all the characteristics vital for its living already there. It is impossible for a non-existent being to master its body and acquire essential traits consciously. So, the very existence of giraffes unquestionably proves that they are created by a conscious creation, that is by God.
    Firstly they do not all work in harmony - you gave the example of the moon - its actualy steadily moving away from us and when it eventualy escapes the Earths orbit the Earth will woble about uncontrollably on its axis's which will spell chaos. The order has to occur anyways: it is because it works that we perceive it as order, if it were slightly different we would have evolved to deal with this and everything would again be perfect. We think everything is perfect because thats what we see as normal.

    The miracles of the body are fully and comprehencivly explainned by evolution. All that is happening is that things are changing randomly untill they fit (what is kept is dependant on natural selection).

    Symetry - again this is just because thats what works and therefore we see it as normal.

    Religion has been proved wrong so many times that these arguements arn't funny any more. Once you have denounced a lot of the information in the Bible (for example) you cannot then beleave the rest of it as you have proven it to be a bad source of information. The bible has been disproven on many occasions such as the creationist theory (proved wrong by the age of the Earth and by evolution). Also the story of the Devil disproves the Bible - the bible states that God omnipient (sp) and benevilent - if he knew that Lucifer (the Devil) would rebel and bring evil to the world then why create him?
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    (1) From Non-Being to Being
    The coming of the universe into being from non-being is the greatest proof possible that it has been created. Consideration of this fact will change a lot of things. It helps people understand the meaning of life and review their attitudes and purposes. This is why many scientific communities have tried to disregard the fact of creation which they could not fully comprehend, even though its evidence was clear to them. The fact that all scientific evidence points to the existence of a Creator has compelled them to invent alternatives and thus create confusion in the minds of people.
    The idea of creation is a human concept and so you cannot use such a concept to explain how the universe was created.

    We are all composed of atoms commonly found throughout the universe and the only difference separating our atoms and atoms found in rocks on Jupiter, is our atoms our arranged in a way to give us consciousness. Humans will never fully understand the universe or how it was created until we can step back and view the universe as a whole. You see Earth is a microscopic speck of dust in cosmic terms, so how can we fully appreciate the whole picture from such a limited vantage point?
 
 
 
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